<p>i wish that in addition to considering the number of students who join the peace corps after graduation they also included people doing teach for america, americorps, or just working in the nonprofit sector.</p>
<p>To follow up on the prior discussion, I checked some numbers at <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/index.asp%5B/url%5D">http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/index.asp</a>. </p>
<p>Regarding the federal grants, I am wondering if there is something else besides Pell, FSEOG, or FWS that could boost the number of Harvard to 24%? </p>
<p>The graduation rates for minorities speak from themselves. </p>
<p>Berkeley: Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) .. 30% $3,175
UCLA: Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) .... 33% $3,379
Harvard: Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) .. 24% $4,158 </p>
<p>Berkeley: Graduation rate within 4 years 53.0 %
UCLA: Graduation rate within 4 years 57.1 %
UCLA: Graduation rate within 4 years 86.2 % </p>
<p>Berkeley: Black 72.2 % - Hispanic 78.1 % (6 years)
UCLA: Black 70.5 % - Hispanic 79.5 % (6 years)
Harvard: Black 97.3 % - Hispanic 97.7 % (6 years)</p>
<p>Details:</p>
<p>UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-BERKELEY IPEDS ID: 110635 </p>
<p>Bachelors degree-seeking students completing a bachelor's degree
Graduation rate within 4 years 53.0 %
Graduation rate within 5 years 82.6 %
Graduation rate within 6 years 86.6 % </p>
<p>Graduation rates within 6 years by race/ethnicity
White, non-Hispanic 85.8 %
Black, non-Hispanic 72.2 %
Hispanic 78.1 %
Asian/Pacific Islander 90.6 %
American Indian/Alaska Native (!) 78.6 %
Race/ethnicity unknown 85.1 %
Nonresident alien 83.0 % </p>
<p>Financial aid 200304
Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) 30% $3,175
State/local grants (scholarships/fellowships) 48% $3,220
Institutional grants (scholarships/fellowships) 53% $5,950
Loans to students 34% $3,743 </p>
<p>UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-LOS ANGELES OPE ID: 00131500 IPEDS ID: 110662 </p>
<p>Bachelors degree-seeking students completing a bachelor's degree
Graduation rate within 4 years 57.1 %
Graduation rate within 5 years 84.7 %
Graduation rate within 6 years 87.2 % </p>
<p>Graduation rates within 6 years by race/ethnicity
White, non-Hispanic 88.9 %
Black, non-Hispanic 70.5 %
Hispanic 79.5 %
Asian/Pacific Islander 90.3 %
American Indian/Alaska Native (!) 70.6 %
Race/ethnicity unknown 84.6 %
Nonresident alien 78.9 % </p>
<p>Financial aid 200304<br>
Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) 33% $3,379
State/local grants (scholarships/fellowships) 54% $3,111
Institutional grants (scholarships/fellowships) 54% $5,054
Loans to students 35% $3,904 </p>
<p>HARVARD UNIVERSITY OPE ID: 00215500 IPEDS ID: 166027 </p>
<p>Bachelors degree-seeking students completing a bachelor's degree
Graduation rate within 4 years 86.2 %
Graduation rate within 5 years 95.7 %
Graduation rate within 6 years 97.6 % </p>
<p>Graduation rates within 6 years by race/ethnicity
White, non-Hispanic 96.9 %
Black, non-Hispanic 97.3 %
Hispanic 97.7 %
Asian/Pacific Islander 99.7 %
American Indian/Alaska Native (!) 78.6 %
Race/ethnicity unknown 98.8 %
Nonresident alien 96.9 % </p>
<p>Financial aid 200304<br>
Federal grants (scholarships/fellowships) 24% $4,158
State/local grants (scholarships/fellowships) 4% $2,809
Institutional grants (scholarships/fellowships) 49% $21,702
Loans to students 26% $2,709</p>
<p>Xiggi, where from the link can I get to the financial aid page? Do you have a more direct link?
How come UCLA has a lower % of federal grants than pell grants?</p>
<p>I'm curious how your link compares to this link...<a href="http://www.ofr.harvard.edu/print/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ofr.harvard.edu%2Ffinancial_aid.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.ofr.harvard.edu/print/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ofr.harvard.edu%2Ffinancial_aid.php</a></p>
<p>There were only 655 Pell grants awarded at Harvard in 2002-2203 and that includes undergrad and grad?</p>
<p>If it was just undergrad, what is that, around 10% of the student body? People who receive FSEOG also receive Pell Grants so that is double counted.</p>
<p>It looks to me that maybe 10% of Harvard undergrads get pell grants. This is a much lower figure than UCLA.</p>
<p>Dstark, try this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/%5B/url%5D">http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/</a></p>
<p>On the bottom, pick or look for a SCHOOL. </p>
<p>In this case, I typed HArvard, and got to a page that lists the institutions sharing the "Harvard" name. I then clicked on Harvard and got to a general page for Harvard. </p>
<p>One of the listing on top is for Financial Aid or Admissions.</p>
<p>The numbers on your Harvard link do match:</p>
<p>Type and Number of Awards Amount
Pell Grants 655 $1,539,537
Federal College Work Study 1,643 $3,749,425
FSEOG 441 $1,726,503 </p>
<p>Let's call H at 10,000 students and the percents should be around:
Pell Grants 6.55 %<br>
Federal College Work Study 16.43%
FSEOG 4.41%
Total: 27% </p>
<p>I agree that there should be a certain amount of overlapping.</p>
<p>Without saying the numbers are incorrect, one of the issues may be that almost all stories quote the same study. </p>
<p>"Among the nations 50 top universities as ranked by U.S. News & World Report, UCLA had the largest proportion of undergraduates receiving federal Pell Grants for students from low-income families in 2001-02, according to a recent study."</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, the number of Pell Grants had been given to the researchers by a government employee but that there was no outside corroboration. The original study is easy to find on the web.</p>
<p>The Century Foundation </p>
<p>Xiggi -- trying to get in as much CC time as you can before heading back to campus? :) </p>
<p>I assume you're not back already or you wouldn't be posting at midnight!</p>
<p>I love it! So what if the methodology is weak? Who cares if your favorite reach is ludicrously demoted, and schools that you'd never consider putting on your safety list are way above it? Who cares if the Pell grant facts are misapplied? What's the big deal if they are trying to bump mag sales? </p>
<p>I honor it for its implicit criticism of the whole ranking list mania, and beyond that the whole me-me-me! mentality that underlies our manic college-choosing process. I've read the discussions of the new USNWR lists. How can Penn rank above Stanford? What's WUStl doing above Chicago? Can you prove that I'll make more money if I go to Harvard when Michigan produces more CEOs?</p>
<p>Far from perfect, but you don't look for that in satire.</p>
<p>I find it very difficult to believe that Harvard is not among the leaders in work study funding for community service work.</p>
<p>The bulk of Harvard's community service activities occurs under the umbrella of an "independent" student-run service organization on campus. I strongly suspect that the work study funding for students involved in this organization were somehow omitted from the reporting.</p>
<p>Few, if any, colleges approach the scope of Harvard's community service programs.</p>