Washington Rivalries(AU, GT, GW)

College Search & Selection
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<p>I got accepted to The George Washington University Early Decision in December, but am getting nervous about my future experience. I thought GW was a really good school due to its high SATs and strong Int. Affairs program. However, a kid from my school who will be going to Gtown next year always criticizes me and mocks me for going to GW. Today, he said, "Everyone at GW is a Gtown reject." When I explained to him that I didn't even apply to Gtown, he responded, "You must have realized that you would have been rejected anyways." I ignore him, but lately he's been getting under my skin. All I ever hear about anymore is how Gtown's average SAT is a 1450 and GW's is only a 1000(even though that's not true because US news and my adcom have documented that its in the 1300 range). Then he trashes American, where another girl in my class just got accepted.</p>

<p>I really don't have any beef with Gtown, in fact, I hope that I get a chance to meet and socialize with Gtown students while attending GW. However, I wonder if there is an elitist attitude among Gtown students which will make my life hell. </p>

<p>I was just browsing through random articles from The GW Hatchet(GW student newspaper) because I want to write for it once I attend. I found this article from 2003 which made me upset. </p>

<p>"Outsiders vandalize Thurston Hall
Georgetown students deface walls and elevator, officials say
by Julie Gordon
Published: 9/22/2003
Article Tools: Page 1 of 1 </p>

<p>Media Credit: Jeff Baum
Freshman Niki Ramchandani points out graffati on the sixth floor of Thurston Hall to freshman Dipti Vaid Saturday.</p>

<p>At least two Georgetown University students scrawled anti-GW language on walls, doors and an elevator in Thurston Hall late Friday evening or early Saturday morning, said Bob Ludwig, acting director of Media Relations.</p>

<p>The students wrote remarks such as "GW sucks," "**** GW" and "GW is gay" in light blue and black markers on the fifth to ninth floors and and inside an elevator.</p>

<p>Ludwig said a Thurston Hall resident filed the report with University Police at 2:30 p.m. Saturday.</p>

<p>He said UPD will review surveillance tapes from Thurston to determine details about the incident, including how the students entered the residence hall. He added that housekeeping has been notified and is cleaning up the graffiti.</p>

<p>Several Thurston Hall residents said they saw students from various universities, including Georgetown, Howard, Maryland and the University of Richmond, in the residence hall from about 11 p.m. Friday to 4:30 a.m. Saturday.</p>

<p>Freshman Conor Tuttle, a resident of room 907, said a Georgetown student asked to use his bathroom Friday evening. Tuttle said he told the student he could not use the bathroom because it was occupied, which angered the student.</p>

<p>Freshman Ethan Bronstein, who was also in room 907 at the time, said the Georgetown student swore at the GW students, but no fight ensued. He said the nonresident approached the room around 11 p.m. and identified himself as a Georgetown student.</p>

<p>Neither Tuttle nor Bronstein said they saw the student, who did not give his name, vandalize property.</p>

<p>Several students said they woke up in the morning to find markings on their doors.</p>

<p>Freshman Russell Solow, a resident of the seventh floor, found graffiti scribbled on his door that he said was not there when he went to bed at 4 a.m. Saturday.</p>

<p>"I feel (the people who vandalized the property) were just being immature," Solow said. </p>

<p>Ninth floor resident Eric Herscher had the words "GW sucks dick" written on his door. He said Sunday afternoon that the spot had been painted over earlier in the day.</p>

<p>Sixth floor Community Facilitator Cassandra Waite, one of two CFs on duty Friday evening, said Saturday afternoon that no one reported any incidents to her while on duty.</p>

<p>Although Waite said she has not seen any types of graffiti in Thurston before, incidents such as these "tend to be (carried out by) people who are intoxicated and can't control themselves."</p>

<p>Ludwig said he cannot remember this type of vandalism in his 11 years at the University.</p>

<p>Although the UPD report pointed to a Georgetown student, several Thurston residents said large groups of other university students were in the residence hall, too.</p>

<p>Residents of the fifth and sixth floors said 20 to 25 male students from the University of Richmond were yelling and knocking on doors from about 2 to 4:30 a.m.</p>

<p>"You couldn't walk down the hall (because the students were blocking it)," said fifth floor resident Melissa Tyborowski. She and her roommate said the students were yelling things such as "GW sucks," which caused GW students to yell back.</p>

<p>Several students said the vandalism displayed a lack of respect, and they were disappointed with whoever committed the acts.</p>

<p>" There were a lot of prospective freshmen in the lobby," resident Don Rothrauff said. "It's a poor reflection on student life, especially if a GW student didn't do it."
-Elizabeth Chernow contributed to this report"
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<p>Do rivalry schools really act like this? I am sure that GW students are obnoxious too, but are incidents like this recurrent?</p>

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<p>GW's average SAT is definently not a 1000. It's several hundred points higher.</p>

<p>I attend GW, and haven't really had bad experiences with other DC schools. In fact, the other DC schools make GW better. Howard, GW, Georgetown, Maryland, and American are in a Consortium of schools that allow students to take classes at different universities. Also, due to the thousands of students in DC, the nightlife of DC is enhanced. </p>

<p>For some reason, GW students seem to have rivalries against BU and NYU and not Georgetown. This is probably the case because BU and NYU are much more similar to GW than Georgetown. Of course, Georgetown is always going to be a rivalry because it's very close to GW(in walking distance). However, GW gets along just fine with Georgetown. The only bad experience I had with Georgetown students was when I was at Starbucks in NYC with a GW sweatshirt waiting for coffee, and some (Insert word here) was like,"O, so you go to GW. I go to Georgetown. Couldn't get in there, ehh?" I just blew it off. His tone was really condescending, but I wonder if he was making a joke that came off as an insult. These types of people are at every university, though, and it's not fair to generalize a university by a small handful of people. GW students aren't all angels either, so just try not to be so sensitive. There's usually rivalries within cities like this(like NYU vs. Columbia, BU vs. BC, etc.).</p>

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<p>My son had a 1440 and an GPA of 4.5 on a 4.0 scale. He visited G-town and GWU, but did not like the Georgetown campus, so he did not apply. It wasn't that he was rejected anywhere else, because he wasn't, but that he chose GW. It sounds like the G-town students you have spoken to are just too insecure. Sure there is some rivalry. My D just visited UCLA and USC - talk about rivalry! You'd think the other school was a community college they way they talk about each other.</p>

<p>GWU actually has more in common with BU and NYU, as that is their real competition. Gtown is not so much competition, not so much because of the school itself, but because G-town is Catholic, whilel GW, BU and NYU are secular institutions. </p>

<p>Don't second guess yourself now, just because of two or three insecure students. Want to compare SAT scores? Then ask them why they didn't get into Harvard.</p>

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<p>Yeah, the only thing about that is that, well, you didn't get into Harvard either.</p>

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<p>you're both giving your respective schools too much credit. GWU has an average SAT of 1240, and GTown has an average of below 1450, seeing as the ranges are:
"SAT Verbal Middle 50% 640-740
SAT Math Middle 50% 640-730"
according to PR.</p>

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<p>actually, the stats for Gtown for my class(2008) were:
Early Action:
SAT V Middle 50%: 680-750
SAT M Middle 50%: 680-740
Overall:
SAT V: 660-760
SAT M: 660-750
Average SAT is usually in the 1400 range.</p>

<p>Anyway in regards to the original question, I really don't think that there is a huge rivalry b/w the schools. Sure, at the beginning of the year, a lot of freshman(including myself) embrace the stereotypical rivalry b/w the schools. There are people that think that Georgetown is better than George Washington, and vice versa. However, I think that as the year progresses, people forget about it, and don't really think much about it. Lots of Gtown people go to parties at GW, and GW people go to parties at Gtown. I do believe that objectively speaking, the student population is different academically and whatever, however I don't think it's that much of a difference. I like GW's campus(yes it has a campus, though not as defined as Gtown's), and am actually recommending it for a friend that wants to transfer from another college. So, I'd say don't worry about any "elitist" attitudes from Gtown students. Also, the schools aren't THAT close by, so it's not like you'll be running into Gtown students regularly.</p>

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<p>Kind of unrelated but random question -- what exactly is a hoya?</p>

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<p>No offense Hoo, but Georgetown is superior to GW. GW is filled with rich, affluent kids who get rejected from Georgetown. The average SAT score is in the low 1300s while GU's mean is in the 1400s. Only 5% of the freshman class at GU was below 10% at their school compared to 35% at GW. Theres also NO diversity at GW, only 8% blacks, hispanics combined. To top things off, tution at GW is an exorbitant 36K!!! Add on room and board and expenses it comes to about 50K a year which is ridiculous...Face it GW is lousy- theres no way around that</p>

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<p>eireann, Hoyas is the name of our athletic teams(as well as various other aspects of our school). It also comes from our motto, Hoya Saxa, which is Greek and Latin for "what rocks". It comes from the fact that they used to be called the Stonewalls or something(can't remember the exact story). So when you go to basketball games, pep rallies, etc., you'll usually hear students chanting "Hoya Saxa!"(usually one person/side chanting the "hoya" and the other chanting the "saxa".</p>

<p>Mr_Met, chill. GW might not be on the same level stats wise, etc. as Georgetown, but it is nonetheless an amazing school, one of the top 50, at least in my opinion. Are you a student at Georgetown, or accepted, etc.? If not, then you really don't have the right to judge the experiences of GW students vs. Gtown students. As someone that actually attends Georgetown, I say to the original poster that GW is a great school in a great city, with consortium you can take classes at Georgetown, and GW is rising in its prestige, and I have no doubt that you'll have a great experience. Welcome to the District of Columbia!</p>

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<p>also, you can say that Gtown is filled with rich, affluent students as well. You don't even wanna hear the stories about this girl that used to live on my floor(key phrase being "used to",lol).</p>

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<p>Oh, my bad if I offended anyone. JasonHoya, I am attending Harvard University in the fall FYI.</p>

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<p>cool, it's ok man, it's just that you came across as if you were making GW out to be a horrible school.</p>

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<p>Mr_Met. you need a major attitude adjustment...and maybe a few lessons in tact and humility.</p>

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<p>What did I do?</p>

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<p>"face it GW is lousy, there's no way around that"</p>

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<p>Yeah JasonHoya I knew it was the athletic thing, just wondering where it came from...that's pretty interesting. Do you guys actually have a physical mascot or is it just theroetical?</p>

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<p>EDIT: GW is a terrific university where will have myriad opportunites to thrive Hoo. Although the institution is filled with affluent, spoiled individuals, I'm sure you will have no problem fitting in. The average SAT score at GW is in the 1300s, evident that the school is among the best in the US. However, you might want to consider the financial repurcussions if you do attend GW. Tutiton is a hefty 36K, add other expenses and your family will end up paying close to 50 grand to finance your education. In my opinion, GW is a great option but Georgetown is a better one.</p>

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<p>yeah we have a mascot too, it's a bulldog. We have both the student that walks around in the costume, and a real, actual dog.</p>

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<p>I am not sure what the average SAT for GW is. The adcom at my visit told me that it was a 1315 for the class of '09. PR, which was published last year, says it's a 1240. I guess to be safe, we can just go with US news. They published the score range from 25%-75% as 1190 to 1380. </p>

<p>Thanks JasonHoya. I really think Gtown is a good school, I just don't want to be bombarded with negative comments all the time. Mr_Met, you didn't tell me anything new. I realized that GW was full of rich kids(I am one of them) and it's very expensive. However, most universities in the US are filled with rich kids(public or private). I don't believe you are going to H. Seems to me that you changed your user name yesterday to hide your real identity to post a nasty and malicious comment. Pretty immature.</p>

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<p>Are people mean to AU and Howard students?</p>