<p>Instate and 10% out of state.</p>
<p>Local</a> News | UW regents approve biggest-ever tuition increase | Seattle Times Newspaper</p>
<p>Minnesota is also discussing a large increase for the same reasons as cited in your linked article. </p>
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<p>The biggest cost increase is the one you don’t see - the majority of students can’t graduate in four years.</p>
<p>And likely classes are 20% bigger too.</p>
<p>I think it is more a case of don’t than can’t. If you want to you usually can. Students limit themselves in many ways including changing majors, double-majoring, putting off classes or not taking them at times they don’t like, stopping out, taking partial loads etc etc. And some programs will take over 4 years such as many engineering and education prgrams that require practical experiences. I’d say at least 80% of the problems in graduating in 4 years are not the institution’s fault.</p>
<p>I think that was true five years ago, and is no longer the case.</p>
<p>I’d be interested in knowing more about the assertion that students can’t graduate in 4 years. The UW students I know seem to have no problem with this. Is it really prevalent?</p>
<p>I do hope we can all keep this in perspective. UW’s in-state tuition and fees will still be lower than WSU’s, and are still a tremendous bargain for the quality of education delivered.</p>
<p>According to their latest data that I’ve seen, it is 48% (but I don’t know how up-to-date that data is).</p>
<p>There are several folks I know here that have chosen Western Washington over UW because of it.</p>
<p>Not graduating in four calendar years is common at many public universities, but in many cases, it is not due to not getting needed classes because they are full. If that is a concern, it is necessary to check whether that is true at the specific university, rather than assuming that is the reason (there are numerous other reasons why students do not graduate in four calendar years).</p>
<p>In many cases, that is true. But recently, there has been a spate of cancellations of upper class electives necessary to graduation, as faculty who have left have not been replaced. In addition, the University itself admits (in the press releases they put out today) that they did not have enough introductory biology and chemistry sections, causing science majors to wait until their second term or even second year to start their majors. </p>
<p>If I had the time, I’d go back and chart the four-year grad rate at UW (which, I’m told, has gone steadily downward.) This is at a time where the university has gotten “more selective”, as enrollment has not grown as fast as applicants.</p>
<p>funny… explicitly stating full-pays are subsidizing those on FA. I’ve always said that but there’s lots of people here insisting that’s never the case. This is the big reason costs go up twice the inflation rate for 30+ yrs in a row. Sorry but it’s tough enough for me to pay for my own kids, I can’t afford to pay for some other kids too.</p>
<p>mini, here’s the data you asked for. UW Seattle’s 4-year graduation rates.</p>
<p>1997 cohort: 40.0%
1998 cohort: 42.6%
1999 cohort: 45.7%
2000 cohort: 47.7%
2001 cohort: 48.3%
2002 cohort: 51.3% (the most recent CDS data available)</p>
<p>Admittedly, CDS figures are a bit out of date. UW Seattle’s Office of Institutional Research provides another interesting number that’s more up-to-date: the average number of years until graduation, by year of graduation.</p>
<p>1997: 4.9
1998: 4.9
1999: 4.8
2000: 4.6
2001: 4.7
2002: 4.7
2003: 4.6
2004: 4.5
2005: 4.4
2006: 4.4
2007: 4.4
2008: 4.4
2009: 4.4
2010: 4.4</p>
<p>Many if not most public universities have a guaranteed 4 year grad plan available. Students must sign up for these during freshman orientation. My experience working at various universities is that failure to graduate in 4 years is a most always the fault of the student. My department will always offer a substitute course if a required one is cancelled.</p>
<p>[Academic</a> Advising Center - Four Year Graduation Plan](<a href=“http://www.uiowa.edu/~uaactr/fouryeargraduationplan.htm]Academic”>http://www.uiowa.edu/~uaactr/fouryeargraduationplan.htm)</p>
<p>Probably 2% of that tuition hike goes to pay their new President’s big salary :)</p>
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<p>Well except your kids are getting an education that is actually being paid partly by other people, even ones without kids, especially very wealthy people who pay the highest tax bracket, as well as those from out of state. It is, after all, a public university and I strongly doubt your tuition bill picks up the true full costs.</p>
<p>A quick search pointed me to the average 4 year graduation rate for public schools: 35%. This may be due to course availability, but may also have a lot to do with relatively low tuition. Tuition of $10k a year is very much less constraining than $40k a year and may liberate students to work part-time, change majors more frequently, take an internship, study abroad. </p>
<p>Moreover, the data strongly points to the correlation between SES and graduate rate speed. Those in the lowest quartile have a very dismal 4 year completion rate, those in the top quartile have an extremely high 4 year completion rate. Publics attract a broader spectrum of students, so many more from the lower SES ranks, ones who for various reasons may not graduate quickly (have to work during school to make ends meet, go to school part-time, maybe never finish).</p>
<p>Who knows the full story but I think it is likely not the case that the problem rests strictly with course availability. The student bodies are quite different at publics (compared to privates), and the incentives to actually finish in 4 years are quite different too.</p>
<p>The increasing four year graduation rates at UW is similar to Berkeley (during a time of continual defunding of UC over the years), where non-Berkeley people claim that “you won’t be able to graduate in four years because you won’t be able to get into your classes” even though no one complains about that at Berkeley.</p>
<p>Public universities under defunding conditions have every incentive to avoid in-state students (which is most of them) involuntarily taking more than four years to graduate, because every extra semester taken is an extra semester of costly in-state subsidy (even if such subsidy is reduced under defunding by increasing in-state tuition).</p>
<p>The incentives are different at open admission community colleges, where students come and go, and tuition, fees, and in-state subsidy are calculated on a per-credit/course basis. Community colleges offer based on number of credits/courses they can offer, which is often not enough for all of the students who need the courses to complete an associates’ degree or become transfer-ready to a four year university within the nominal time to complete those programs.</p>
<p>UW-Madison is the type of place students don’t want to leave. There is nothing wrong with adding a second major, changing majors, working, taking more courses and then embarking on your adult life of decades one year later, especially if the cost is less than that of 4 years at a private college. I wonder how many private college students stick with a major just to graduate in 4 years? Is it really sacred to finish college in 4 years? Where will these students be at age 30, 50? So many entering freshmen have so much to learn about themselves and what they want, especially since college opens up a world of so many unheard of subjects. Of course, there have to be limits since at many good institutions one could never exhaust the courses one is interested in, and you need to focus on something instead of being a generalist. But 5 years is not that much more, nor is being a typical 23 much different than the typical 22.</p>
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<p>What does SES mean?</p>
<p>^ oh sorry, socio-economic status.</p>