<p>I currently have SDSU and Indiana University as safety schools, but with SDSU's 40% acceptance rate and IU's OOS tuition I'm not 100% sure that those schools will work out for me. So I'm looking to add either WSU or UH.</p>
<p>These schools offer me guaranteed admission, and through the Western Undergraduate Exchange program, very inexpensive tuition.</p>
<p>I plan to major in business, communications, or sport management and WSU seems to be clearly better in all three of these areas, but I'm not sure. Also WSU offers a more residential college experience.</p>
<p>However, Hawaii has the location, the warm weather, beaches, and city life which is a huge plus.</p>
<p>I currently can't decide which school I like better so maybe you guys could help me out.</p>
<p>So.....where would you go, and why?</p>
<p>Something to consider: Hawaii has insane cost of living. The economy is limited in terms of production and the area is fairly isolated, so it relies on imports almost exclusively and thus everything costs more.</p>
<p>Hawaii is weak academically and the school is pretty run down. One of my friends had a terrible experience there and left after a year. Apparently, the students don't appreciate people coming from the mainland and destroying their island (i.e. white people).</p>
<p>Washington State is a solid school, but it’s in the middle of nowhere. Pullman is a very small town and is on the Idaho border. Winters in Pullman can be pretty harsh.</p>
<p>How many safeties do you need? I thought you were already applying to ASU.</p>
<p>I don't plan on applying to ASU anymore because it's too hot there. So I want 3 safeties.....so either Hawaii or WSU for the 3rd one.</p>
<p>Any more opinions.....where would you go? Hawaii or WSU?</p>
<p>I'd go to WSU. It's stronger academically, and the area isn't too bad - it's only a short drive away from Moscow, which is an adorable town, and Spokane, which is a fairly large city. </p>
<p>Also...while I agree that climate is an important factor, if you like ASU, don't let the record temperatures phase you. I live in Las Vegas (which has very similar weather to Arizona - sometimes even hotter), and I must say that the only time we ever have unbearable weather is in the summer, when you wouldn't be in town anyway. The climate is relatively mild from October to April.</p>
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<li><p>University of Tampa: I personally dont like it academically, but the location is great (I love Tampa) and the campus (although small) is very nice.
they do also give generous scholarships.
WSU is way better than UT but I would pick UT over UH any day. </p></li>
<li><p>University of San Francisco: its got pretty solid business programs. its overall ranking just made Tier 1 in the US News (top 100) and location wise its great (SF is an awesome city). I hear the campus is quite nice. </p></li>
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<p>I would say its a safety if you have a B average and SATs above 1500 (3 sections).</p>
<p>UH is mainly only attended by people that live in Hawaii. The academics aren't great and neither are the applicants that apply there. I live in Hawaii and the cost of living here is ridiculous. It's even worse than SoCal (I also used to live in SoCal). </p>
<p>I'd recommend checking out the CSU's and low UC's since you live in Cali.</p>
<p>I'm not looking at any other schools than the ones I listed. I already have Indiana and SDSU....and I like ASU, but I think it's too hot there. I just want to hear about WSU and UH.</p>
<p>I know all about the CSU's, UC's, and every other school in California. So if a CA school isn't on my list it's because I don't like it.</p>
<p>:O well between those two, I wouldnt think twice: Washington State.
Location is the only problem there but its not all that bad. u wil at least get that college town feel. besides WSU is a big school so most ppl will stick around hanging out on campus or frat houses etc..</p>
<p>Worried Student, I seriously disagree with your statement. While there are certainly people that are like that, most people aren't and do not feel threatened unless you severely insult the Hawaiian culture. You'd have to be really retarded to do that, because it's kind of like going into Mexico and publicly showing your disapproval for Mexicans. </p>
<p>Living in Hawaii myself, I must say that I agree with most of the opinions stated in this thread. Hawaii surely isn't a great school, but a decent one, and the reason most Hawaii students attend it is because it is extremely cheap (5k instate). I'm not entirely familiar with WSU program, but I would assume that it's slightly better. In your case, I would choose UH only if you are set on business, want to have a unique experience with international communication, and if location is a major factor. If the latter isn't much of a factor for you, I'd advise WSU.</p>
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I'm not entirely familiar with WSU program, but I would assume that it's slightly better. In your case, I would choose UH only if you are set on business
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Washington State is a far better school than UH-M, academically. Washington State is a major research university, but also is a fun school. At UH-M, academics definitely come second. My friend said that there quite a few buildings on campus that weren't even air conditioned. His dorm had roaches in it and housing service did nothing about it. Most kids who go to Hawaii are there for the beaches and the surfing. By the way, UH-M is also very cliquish and very much of a commuter school. It can definitely be hard to fit in if you aren’t from the area. The cost of living is extremely high in Hawaii. Housing and food is very expensive. The traffic in Honolulu is horrendous to.</p>
<p>Washington State is a much better school with a well respected business program, especially in the state of Washington.</p>
<p>You should only be applying to schools where you can see yourself going to. Why not look at Chico State? Sports are pretty big on campus, the social scene is tremendous, and you’d definitely get in.</p>
<p>I've known people from out of state that have had no problems fitting in. Other than that, what you said is basically true: dorms aren't the greatest and some profs are more focused in research. </p>
<p>It's true Hawaii housing is expensive, but if you only plan to live there for college it's not much of a problem.</p>
<p>I'm pretty much done with my college list, but I just need to add one more inexpensive option where I would actually enjoy my experience.</p>
<p>My list includes the following: UMiami, LMU, USD, SDSU, and Indiana. I'm also considering the University of Portland.</p>
<p>I'm just looking to add another school that will guarantee admission and my favorite options are WSU (because it offers the whole college experience, but the town of Pullman sounds terrible), UH-Manoa (sounds like a great place, but I heard it is really run down and it has a commuter school rep), and I also like ASU (but it is 30k more than UH and WSU and I don't know if it is worth it, and I'm not a fan of hot weather).</p>
<p>So I'm not sure on where I want to apply. And I don't like Chico state because it is northern california and it is D2.</p>
<p>thanks... so WSU or UH or to a lesser extent ASU.</p>
<p>My friend's going to UP this year, so if no one can help you out with that, I can discuss it with you after (if you remind me). Hope you get in everywhere.</p>
<p>SoCal, don't apply to schools you have faults with. If you look at a school and your first reaction is "well they don't have _______", then you aren't going to want to go there. College is a multi thousand dollar investment and four years of your life. When you choose a school, you make a commitment to go there. The last thing you want to do is choose a school to go to where you have reservations before you even step on campus.</p>
<p>The huge misconception on this board is the entire idea that you need a balanced college list. There is no reason at all for a balanced college list. All you need to make sure you have on your college list is a safety school that you can afford. Some place that you want to and can afford to go to, in addition to can get in at. You have that school already in SDSU. The rest of your list should be schools you want to be at, that's it.</p>
<p>Look, you are going to 100% get into SDSU. The low acceptance rate is only because of many non-competitive applicants applying, making it appear competitive. They are all numbers and you have the numbers. The average GPA of the entering class was a 3.63, which you have. The average SAT was a 1128, which you have. You will be able to afford it as a CA resident.</p>
<p>Only you know what you want in a school. I would advise looking at a list of schools, I don't know what list you want whether it's a listing of schools that offer a particular major, a list that is a ranking of schools overall (such as US News), or a list of feeder schools to graduate institutions. Then go through that list, highlight schools that may interest you, research them, and think of whether or not you want to apply.</p>
<p>As for your question, I wouldn't apply to ASU, WSU, or Hawaii. I don't think you'd want go to any of those schools over SDSU.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help. </p>
<p>I know I prefer SDSU to all of those schools and I know I have the stats, but I still believe there is a slight chance of rejection considering the school has to admit a huge population of San Diego County residents. Maybe I am underestimating my chances, but I would feel more comfortable with one more option. So after listening to all of the previous posts and through my own research, WSU seems like the best option.</p>
<p>Thanks...</p>
<p>Socal, you're applying to Portland but not University of Oregon? Sports play a big role on campus at UO and it's a real college town. There's a lot more to do there than in Pullman. Tons of school spirit on campus.</p>
<p>Think of the costs if you ever want to fly back home for Christmas or thanksgiving.</p>
<p>Indiana's Kelley Business School is one of the best in the nation. Give it some more thought.</p>