WashU v. Columbia [engineering?]

<p>I've loved Columbia - the thought of living in the City, the diversity of majors in SEAS, the Core, and the overall richness of the school - since like sophmore year, but I've been learning a lot about WashU and I'm starting to like it as well.</p>

<p>SO, I'm in at WashU and I got a likely letter from Columbia. I'll be visiting both schools in April for the first time. </p>

<p>Some considerations:
Major - ChemE, Applied Math, CEE [which WashU doesn't have], or Operations Research/Systems
Minor - a humanities field like Comparative Literative</p>

<p>Please help!</p>

<p>What it really comes down to is what you want in a school.
If you really want the city feel, then it's Columbia all the way.</p>

<p>However, don't stress it too much until you've visited both- you might just "know" that one school is for you (it's how I ended up choosing WashU).</p>

<p>What is CEE?</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>yeah, I'm banking on my visit to really help me decide.</p>

<p>Civil & Environmental Engineering. I think WashU only has a minor in environmental engineering.</p>

<p>WashU is currently fazing out civil.</p>

<p>Environmental is part of the chemE major (they tie the two in very closely).</p>

<p>i'm not sure how Columbia works.. but would you still have their Core if you do Engineering? I would assume that their Core is only for liberal arts students? I could be wrong in my assumption.</p>

<p>If you want to do more than one thing (two majors in engineering, or one major in engineering and one in liberal arts), then Wash U is one of the best places in the world for that. Most people have more than one major. Amongst myself and all of my friends, there isn't one of us who has only one major. Schools with a Core really turned me off, because it just seemed so limiting and didn't offer much freedom. Wash U has a nice compromise in that they want you to take classes in certain areas, but by and large you always get to choose how to fulfill those distribution requirements. Then again, some people want a Core because it means that everyone is going to be taking the same classes for a significant amount of their curriculum. </p>

<p>Wash U's Chemical and Environmental Engineering department is great by all accounts. Since ChemE and Env Eng are intrinsically combined in one department, you get a true interdisciplinary education there. It doesn't have a Civil Engineering major... its officially been fazed out as of this year. If you have an interest in structures, most people have been concentrating in Mechanical or Structural Engineering instead... which is somewhat similar to Civil in some ways, but yeah it doesn't offer a fully fledged Civil Engineering major anymore. So if you only have a side interest in Civil/Structures, then you can find a great MechE department at Wash U. Civil Engineering is a really broad term, anyway, and traditionally is broken down into many sub fields.... Mechanical, Structural, Environmental, Materials, etc. It really depends on how you want to focus a Civil Engineering education. One of my friends is doing some really cool research in Nanomaterials in the MechE department. I can't understand a word of it, though :) </p>

<p>Otherwise, the campuses are very different. At Columbia, you're probably going to have more "New York City pride" than you will Columbia pride. At Wash U, you're going to have more pride for your school than you will for your location. I think at the undergrad level it's important to feel tied and close knit to a campus community, and not be in a place that has buildings scattered throughout city blocks. That's just my feeling, but if you truly want to be in the middle of a downtown area and have very little campus attachment, then Columbia is a perfect place to go. Wash U is in the middle of lots of cool neighborhoods and Forest Park, so while it isn't in the middle of big city, you're not going to be lacking in opportunities. </p>

<p>From the curriculum/Core to the city environment, they are vastly different schools, and it's good that you are visiting each!! Wash U always struck me as a school that gives you a diploma you can take anywhere... mostly because of the reputation of the school tied with the fact that you can major in really anything you want to, and that you are going to get involved in really higher-level research opportunities. That flexibility is really unparalleled and great for people who are relatively young in their education. Ultimately, you are going to be living somewhere for 4 years and calling it your home. They attract a different type of student, and depending on which type of student you are, I'm sure you'll find happiness at either Wash U or Columbia. </p>

<p>At either Wash U or Columbia, you're going to take great classes, get individual attention, and have a roughly similar quality of education. I really don't think you can dispute the quality between these schools.... 1) because there are no ways to objectively compare undergrad engineering departments, and 2) anyone who advocates for the quality of an undergrad department vs. one at another school is biased because they go to that school!!! It really comes down to other factors... again, things like what type of city you want, how much flexibility you want, etc..</p>

<p>I am going to interject a little: (Sorry OP)</p>

<p>So even though I was admitted to CAS, it seems that it will be fairly easy for me to take up an engineering major together with a humanities major? Thanks</p>

<p>@ysbera: yes. </p>

<p>Of course, it's going to require some planning. But, since you are thinking about it this early on, you should have no problem.</p>

<p>I mean, of all the divisions at Wash U, Engineering is clearly going to be the most sequential and the most structured. That's just the nature of Engineering in general. But compared to most Universities, if you are going to do Engineering you are going to have a relative degree of greater freedom. </p>

<p>I know a lot of Engineers who have a minor or major in Arts & Sciences. I don't know any Art Sci kids who have an Engineering major, though. I think they tend to prefer people to be fully enrolled in the EN school if you want to major in EN. I know for sure that you could get a minor in EN while being in ArtSci. You can still get a second major that's in the EN school, but you're going to need a lot of prerequisites: </p>

<p>I think its because in Engineering, you clearly need a lot of basic classes before you can advance into a specialized major (LOTS of Math and LOTS of Physics). To get a second major in like Chemical Engineering, for example, if you are primarily in Arts & Sciences might be difficult just because you still need to complete that serious amount of foundational coursework in Engineering.</p>

<p>Does that make sense? You should either email the Admissions Office or the academic advisors in Art Sci.</p>

<p>@vbball90 </p>

<p>Alright thank you@</p>

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but would you still have their Core if you do Engineering? I would assume that their Core is only for liberal arts students? I could be wrong in my assumption.

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<p>yup, you take 1/3 of the core and a few other classes like principles of economics.</p>

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At Columbia, you're probably going to have more "New York City pride" than you will Columbia pride

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<p>this is untrue, kids definitely have more columbia than New York pride, even if they don't rally around sports teams.</p>

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and not be in a place that has buildings scattered throughout city blocks. That's just my feeling, but if you truly want to be in the middle of a downtown area and have very little campus attachment, then Columbia is a perfect place to go

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<p>this is completely mis-informed, that's what NYU is like, not Columbia. Columbia is not in the heart of manhattan, it has a separate standalone campus with the same activities that you see at other campuses: frisbee, on campus protests, lazing around in the sun etc. There is very much a campus feel, atmosphere and peace when you need it.</p>

<p>@confidentialcoll</p>

<p>Thanks for the info about Columbia's Core in regards to Engineering. I wasn't sure how that would work.</p>

<p>Regarding the campus attachment at Columbia... I didn't mean that as a negative comment on Columbia. For my two friends who go there, they spend most of their time and activities exploring NYC, rather than doing activitieson Columbia's campus. That's the problem with forums like this... people post things that they've heard from friends, or their own individual anecdotal experiences. That was my view of Columbia from visiting it, and those are the experienes my friends have. </p>

<p>Columbia does have a nice compromise of having a campus (that nice green space in front of the library, for instance) and being in a city. I was mainly trying to compare/contast the feel of Columbia and the feel of a school like Wash U. Wash U is all campus based (quads, lawns, etc) with the city bordering it... while Columbia's campus is New York City <em>for the most part</em>. </p>

<p>Regarding the school spirit idea... Wash U also doesn't have its stands packed with face-painted fans at sporting events. The teams are good, but school spirit isn't defined by athletics at both Columbia and Wash U. Just in terms of location, though... I think a big tipping factor for so many kids who enroll at Columbia is the fact that its a very urban campus in NYC.</p>