Wellesley vs Barnard? Full ride vs 30k+ tuition?

Hi! I was accepted to Wellesley this weekend on a full ride scholarship (a huge surprise to my family and I), and I got a likely letter to Barnard a while ago. Though their official decisions have not been released yet, I am trying to consider which school would be a better fit for me. I am assuming that I will not get a full ride at Barnard, and will have to pay somewhere upwards of 30K per year to attend. Wellesley was in my top three choices for schools, while Barnard was more of a ‘dream’ school to me and thus was lower on my list because I wanted to have realistic expectations. I will be visiting both schools in a few weeks during my spring break, but wanted to get more input from others as well as tips on what to look for during my future visits.

I did not apply to B or W because I wanted to attend a women’s college; rather, I was attracted to both schools for their academic opportunities. In terms of what I’d like in a college experience, I had always intended to live in a city/urban area. I’d like a mix of classes that are large and lecture style along with more intimate and personalized classes. I definitely want to study abroad and intern/work somewhere, and though I have no interest in frat parties, sororities, or clubbing, I’d like to go to a school that has a lively social life for people not interested in substances but still want to have fun and relax!

My parents were extremely happy to hear about my full ride, of course. However, I think it’s made them biased against Barnard. They are understandably concerned about it being located in Manhattan, which is a stark contrast from the very small town of Wellesley. I live in a suburban college town in CA with a population of 45k, and Wellesley has a pop. of around 27k. There does not seem to be much to do in the town, and downtown looks very high end and expensive. Though I adore Wellesley and its beautiful campus, I am worried I might feel ‘suffocated’ or bored at times due to it being an isolated campus, (having no boys), the lack of a ‘college town’ feel, and having incredibly small student body. I also heard that there is essentially no social life on campus at all, and that the students are competitive and constantly stressed about grades. Barnard/Manhattan offers lots to do in the city along with a more co-ed environment because of the cross-registration opportunities across the street at Columbia. There is also incentive to attend Barnard because my degree would be from Columbia University.

How realistic would it be for me to go to Boston regularly (multiple times a week? every weekend?) to fulfill my ‘big city’ desires? Google Maps says it takes 24 minutes by car, but the commute would probably be longer if I were to take the school shuttle there. Also, if I were to eventually decide that I favored Barnard more, how might I talk to my parents about it? I would feel guilty if I were to go into debt/put stress on them if I had the opportunity to go to an equally prestigious college for practically nothing.

I am still waiting to hear back from Barnard, of course, as well as UC Berkeley and a handful of other schools. UC Berkeley was my #1 choice but my parents don’t like the school much either (largely because the city and campus are not that safe). To me, it offers everything I’d like, plus I’d stay in-state and have a car. I was waitlisted at UCLA so I am feeling less optimistic about my future at Cal. At this point, Barnard, Wellesley, and Cal are all tied for #1 for me.

Thanks in advance!

Berkeley not safe? Why would they say that? I’m there often and have never felt safety was an issue (granted I’m a guy).

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I’m not sure either, maybe it’s a parent thing XD. I know the homeless population is high (at least compared to the small town I’m from), and when we visited the campus last summer, my parents were definitely a little bit on guard. The campus is very open to the city, which also might play a factor in that. I’ve also heard stories about people I know who go there getting mugged at night.

I’ve traveled to many places and studied abroad twice, so my parents and I both know I am certainly capable of taking care of myself. Again, I think they are just naturally concerned.

You probably do not want to bring a car to UCB, since parking is difficult or expensive.

Seems that your parents are fearful of crime in the neighborhood, although both parents and students tend to underestimate crime from other students (e.g. intentionally getting someone more drunk / drugged at a party and then committing sexual assault on them, or stuff like fights after drunken parties).

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Barnard isn’t in Manhattan. It’s in Morningside Heights/Harlem in a pretty wealthy bubble. It’s safe, as long as you remain alert.

Bro if u go to barnard its like going to columbia. So it is much better than berkeley (sorry for my ignorance)

What! Straight up Manhattan NYC!!!

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Also, Barnard does not reside in a bubble, unless you consider its four acre campus itself to be the bubble.

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Okay but it’s not like midtown lol. Barnard is not in a crazy part of the city.

I’m curious why you think you will get less need based aid from Barnard which also guarantees to meet full need for all accepted students.

Right now…I would be a bit patient and see what your acceptances and net costs at your other application schools are.

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Morningside Heights was a very rough neighborhood up until recent years and I am sure it still can be at times.

My EFC from the FAFSA was around 30k. I got into my local state school, and would have to pay 30k to go there as well. My Wellesley decision was my second official acceptance (I was waitlisted at the two other schools I’ve heard back from so far), so I was not expecting such a generous scholarship. Of course, private and public schools have very different policies on awarding financial aid so I will take your advice to be patient and hope for the best :slight_smile: I just wanted to see what people would advise if my predictions come true

Hey! First of all congratulations on getting into three amazing schools. That’s a huge achievement, well done :slight_smile:

Barnard is awesome, there’s no denying it. However, provided they don’t give you much money, I’d say the pros of Barnard don’t outweigh the pros of Cal/Wellesley in light of the cost difference. That’s a pretty hefty financial difference, so if I were you, I’d probably eliminate Barnard for that reason.

Full ride to Wellesley? What??? That’s incredible. The school is amazing, the sisterhood and support network is second-to-none. It’s a god-tier school IMO. It’s not in Boston, but you kinda get the best of both worlds – lovely college town within close proximity to big city. You could def make it out to Boston every weekend if you wanted to, but honestly you’d probably have so much to do in Wellesley itself that you’d end up going less. And never underestimate the value of graduating totally debt-free. It’s amazing to avoid that burden.

Finally, Cal. My personal impression is that the area is very safe, the campus is beautiful, and the community is incredible. Berkeley is a real city: yes, large homeless population as you say, numerous social issues etc., but IMO that’s a good thing. You’ll have the bubble of a college campus within a very real urban environment, so you could experience a vibrant living city as well as a more traditional “bubble” community. However, you don’t sound crazy about it and neither do your parents. So I guess you could knock it off.

That leaves Wellesley. I for one would find it so hard to turn down W with a full ride. You’ll have a blast and it will set you up so well for life. A truly enviable position to be in!

Whatever you decide, good luck :slight_smile:

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Wow, this is the first time I get to answer one of these as a Barnard parent!

Our D20 is having a great year, all things considered. She takes both Barnard and Columbia classes, has joined clubs with both students, and pretty much considers herself part of the wider Columbia community. The great thing about Barnard is that you get the close knit community and personal advising, but you also get all the benefits of being part of a larger university.

Morningside Heights is fairly safe but D20 avoids certain areas and knows to use Uber or take a cab at night. She also spent a summer in high school at Wellesley. She liked the town for the summer but it seemed more like a nice suburban village than a true college town. Morningside Heights seems more geared to college kids.

D20 had a number of great choices last year and has never second guessed her decision. She’s learning a ton and has a group of 6-7 girls she considers close friends and plans to live with next year.

You’ll know more once you hear from Barnard, but if the finances work out, you can hopefully give it a hard look.

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If you have a full ride to Wellesley, you can afford a lot of Uber rides to Boston or take the train to NYC. However, I doubt you will be doing that every weekend or several times a week - college kids don’t have that much time.

I don’t think it matters if the town has 25,000 residents or 50, 000. It’s a suburb, so if you need to get to a certain store or want to attend a movie not showing in the town, I’m sure it’s available nearby (not like going to Grinnell Iowa).

Saving $120k over 4 years seems like a great idea to me (and your parents). If the schools are all tied for you, break the tie and pick Wellesley.

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at this point my advice would be to save your money and go to wellesley
but if hopefully you get admitted to berkeley (with an in-state tuition as you mentioned), then follow your dreams and go there
although barnard is an incredible women’s institution, future you would thank you for saved money
best of luck :wink:

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Wellesley and Barnard use the data from the Profile to determine need institutional based aid awards.

Good luck with your aid award to Barnard…it might be OK.

If not, Wellesley is a terrific school. We have several family members who are grads and they really loved it…and they say the alum network is also quite amazing.

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Things have been steadily getting worse, crime wise, in the borough of Manhattan, of which Morningside Heights is a neighborhood. There was a student murdered there by teenagers about a year ago, an unpleasant throw back to the '70’s/80’s. It’s nowhere near as dangerous as it used to be, but it’s still far from a wealthy bubble.

I think you’ll just have to wait and see what acceptances and financial aid offers you get. Even if your offer from Barnard is not fantastic, perhaps you can appeal it, pointing to the full ride at Wellesley. If it really winds up being full ride at Wellesley vs 30K/yr at Barnard, I think that you should choose Wellesley. Yes, a different experience, but still a very worthwhile one, and that money difference is significant.

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no grinnell slander on my watch ! lmao

but seriously, op, wellesley is a fantastic college with exceptional opportunities— going there and graduating debt-free is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. i agree with cosmo, i don’t see the pros of barnard outweighing the pros of wellesley or cal, but that’s because you haven’t gotten your decision information back just yet. wait for it to come in, then make your decision. i’ll be crossing my fingers for you!

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Wellesley College used to run a weekend shuttle to Cambridge and possible Boston as well. You might want to check to see if that is still available. There is also a commuter rail station that is convenient to Boston. It is a beautiful campus and pretty convenient to the city.

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