Went to Reach School -- Struggling in Classes

<p>This is less of an advice thread more of just a sad thread. I got into my reach school and I am struggling in classes. My SAT scores were really skewed top 25% of CR and bottom 10% in the math and low-mid range in writing. I come from a nontraditional schooling background (CC and homeschooling) that unfortunately has not prepared me as much as I'd hope for the level of difficulty, I understand the information but struggle with testing. My grades have not been awful (not close to failing out) but not good either (2.9 with a C and a D+) with a lot of effort (including tutoring and use of the resource center). I knew I was at a disadvantage coming to a reach school with the majority of the students being better than me but I took that risk. </p>

<p>There is no chance of transferring because I LOVE the school and even the classes/teachers (besides the grading/testing), I love the people and the city. I am content to be the bottom of the percentage of the grade distribution because I love it here. I just am sad because I know I would have been probably as happy at my match school (though less prestige and less "fit") and may have done better gpa wise. I am really really happy at my school, but when it comes to grades I just don't match the preparation other students had in HS and I feel like I'm having to catch up in the study and testing skills.</p>

<p>I just want people to know that there is a reason you may not have gotten into your reach school and to thoroughly consider choosing to go to a match school over a reach school.</p>

<p>grad10, hang in there. I knew students like you who struggled their first year or two at a reach school. (My sister-in-law had never written a research paper before college.) She flunked two courses her first term, but she learned a lot and I think might even have gotten honors (B average back then) in the end.</p>

<p>This is an important thread.</p>

<p>The first two posts show two valid possible conclusions after having tough experiences at a reach school in the early terms. One conclusion is that a reach school may not be the best. Another is that things may get better grade-wise at the reach school.</p>

<p>I, too, have seen kids do better after a tough first couple of terms. Sometimes it is getting through the “weed-out” classes in STEM curricula. Sometimes it is learning different study skills, when even hard-working students need to adapt to what will work in their particular field at their particular school. Sometimes it is the ability to better select courses and profs.</p>

<p>You are making the effort, grad10, availing yourself of the resources; you have a great attitude. I think you may very well see things improve for you GPA-wise.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>Hang in there. You’ll get used to the speed of the pitching with time. Definitely think about spending more time in office hours/tutoring centers if they are available at your school. You may be used to that individualized attention so you may benefit from reaching out to those resources. Sometimes professors have old tests or suggestions of places on the web were you can practice testing yourself. </p>

<p>Also, consider doing flash cards or getting flash card software to help you. I find that if I can see a term and then describe it from memory and why it’s important without looking out my notes, I’ll be ok on the test. You’ve got to find the strategy that works for you.</p>

<p>My daughter still makes up flash cards. She just finished her sophomore year in college. It works for her.</p>

<p>Hang in there Grad10. Thanks for opening this thread.</p>

<p>Good luck, OP. Often student GPAs go up as they get more accustomed to the rigors of college. If not, there can be advantages to being at a reach school if you enjoy it and are surviving. </p>

<p>It was thoughtful of you to add your perspective for families researching colleges. Post again if you have more feedback next year.</p>

<p>2.90 is far from terrible…actually with a c and a d+, 2.90 is very good. ;)</p>

<p>You must be doing well in your other classes</p>

<p>If you don’t mind answering, what school are you attending?</p>

<p>Your school sounds like a great fit! It is common for students to struggle a bit at first. I didn’t even go to a reach school (I went to Mount Holyoke even though I’d been accepted to Brown) and got poor grades my first semester because I just wasn’t used to the rigor of college courses. </p>

<p>It really is like learning a language. With time and effort, you will start to get it. Remember, the admissions people wouldn’t have let you in if they hadn’t seen something in you that made them think you could do it. That hasn’t gone away even though you might be struggling right now.</p>

<p>Don’t view yourself as lucky to be there; look for what you can contribute to the school. You are going to succeed.</p>

<p>I believe this should be taken more on an individual case basis rather than a blanket generalization that those whose GPAs and SATs are below the medians are almost always likely to struggle. </p>

<p>While this may be true in some cases IME, there are just as many cases I know of where the exact opposite happened. I was one of those cases where my GPA was well south of the bottom 25% of incoming students at my LAC (Trust me…it is the stuff of CC parent nightmares). However, after a rough first semester, I ended up excelling and doing far better in my college courses…including courses in subjects where I was a C/D student in high school. </p>

<p>This included some courses…including STEM taken at a couple of Ivies. Some of my fellow high school classmates who were C/D level students who transferred up to Ivies after a year or two at a state institution were actually surprised at how it was still far easier than their high school experiences…and most were STEM majors and graduated with 3.5+ GPAs.</p>

<p>Wow…this is everything I was wondering and am worried about.</p>

<p>Thanks for starting this =)</p>

<p>You need to investigate the Pass/No Pass grading option at your school. At many colleges, students can take a certain amount of classes P/NP, which could be a good option for you while you are in the middle of this steep learning curve.
Make sure you meet with an academic counselor as you plan your classes for next year to maximize your strengths.</p>

<p>If you are a freshman, you should not assume that everyone is doing better than you. Even at top colleges, freshmen struggle. Perhaps the people “you” know are doing better than you, but in reality freshmen performance is generally not that great. Like here, it’s about a 3.0-3.1. Consider this vs. the inflated graduating GPA of roughly 3.4. This means that many people improve their GPAs significantly. Yes, a portion of this may be the pre-med/STEM attrition after freshmen year, however, 3.0-3.1 is low for a class with roughly a 1400 SAT average. This means that many are struggling in humanities and social science courses also. Technically, if the profs. are grading right, most HS students won’t be prepared for it because in HS, especially in APs, we were told to conform to certain styles/approaches to writing that would often result in papers that are only good on the surface and indeed include plenty of unnecessary “fluff” (college teachers accept a variety of writing styles, but generally like precision when discussing issues, as opposed to dancing around them). History/Social Science courses are moreso based upon just essay format exams (whereas most HS students may be used to having regular exams that could save them if they weren’t great at essays, b/c they know how to test). And then the learning in Social Science and Humanities is but so textbook based. Most of the knowledge you need to master the class comes from lectures and personal research either on your own or via sources provided by your prof. Example, Arab-Israeli Conflict here gives you a CD w/1000+ page of documents on top of the many books you must read to supplement lectures, but the class has no HW or non-exam essays, so you have to pace yourself vigorously or the 2 exams will be a disaster. They surprisingly gave real grades, plenty got C,D, F grades on the midterm. I was surprised since this is Emory and all, and since the class was actually very large b/c of the popularity. But then again, grading w/the social science profs. I’ve had has not been as lenient as one would be led to believe (you know at top private schools, the grading is supposed to be easy, especially in these depts), but that could be just my luck (I actually performed fairly well in them), but I really don’t regret it, these profs. gave the most feedback which actually helped w/future endeavors and interests. Tougher graders or those w/higher standards tend to have the highest level of engagement with students. Again I don’t regret that, I really regret not working harder. I’ll admit that I got B grades (B/B+, not a B-) in 2-3 of these courses because I did not work hard enough to achieve the standards that the prof. expected. 1 of them I worked hard and got B+, but the other two Bs. One was grade inflated, I know, because I didn’t do 2 of the small weighted assignments, and I don’t think my research paper which was 50% of my grade, was good. And I had a B+ on the midterm essay. Given that, didn’t even deserve a B. I thank them, but I’m kind of disappointed because they were actually good professors that cared and gave lots of feedback and kind of deserved more from me and many other students in there (surprising a B, even if inflated, was probably the norm in that class, and B in the other was actually high as many people were struggling a lot).<br>
As you can tell, I’ve also struggle in some classes here despite me being a match (well, not really, I know my HS in general was not as great as my peers’. The AP courses were very rigorous, but the environment was not but so conducive to success beyond AP exams or the midterms associated with the course). Part of it because I choose more challenging profs. and classes than most, and much of it b/c of the pre-med weedouts (I’m a non-premed chem./bio major so I had to deal with the boring, non-intellectually stimulating, w/exception of orgo. premed courses) I had to go through that had those darned multiple choice exams. I now choose classes where such environments and exams are avoided, because I honestly like to think, and tend to analyze a lot, which screws me over on the memorization based MC exams. My grades in science classes have recovered because of it. I even held my own in a grad. level bio-organic course. For me it was my sophomore year where I struggled (lots of things going on in family, very heavy courseload even for a science major, roommate issues) tremendously and my GPA took a huge hit (it was okay freshmen year, close to 3.5.) And no, I didn’t fail any courses, but they were not all As and Bs either (my GPA dropped sharply to like 3.1?). The classes were too hard to manage given what I was experiencing at the time. I really had almost given up. However, I then enjoyed junior year (classes no easier) for the most part and recovered some of my GPA motivation at least (and my GPA stabilized before it went to the point of no return). And I figured out that I had a passion for research and mentoring students in organic chemistry and biology, and I am very pleased. I plan to go out of Emory with a bang now that I am taking all of the courses and profs. that I know that I’ll enjoy (again, I keep it rigorous, but I find that as long as I like the course content or prof., I do well). I just thought I would share my story, and let you know that as a freshmen you are certainly not alone. You’re actually fortunate to go through the transition as a freshmen as you will likely go up from it. I had to go through a demoralizing sophomore slump (more of a sophomore slam actually), but I still am in a decent position. Hang in there.<br>
I can advise you to figure which learning/testing styles you like best and try to probe which professors best cater to this. I don’t know how other schools are, but at Emory, throughout 1 course with several sections, there are lots of differences in pedagogy depending upon the prof. There is no standardization of course content, or how it is conveyed (this even applies to introductory courses here, there are profound differences in approach to teaching across profs). So I recommend you figure out what best fits you and choosing courses that way. Don’t simply choose blindly or based upon “perceived” ease. I see so many people get screwed by the latter because the teacher is a) bad, or b) simply does not fit their style of learning. They, therefore don’t get anywhere close to the grade they anticipated. Perhaps a little “add/drop/swap tour” festival will help you. Tour profs. in these types of courses and check out the lecturing/pedagogy, and make a decision. </p>

<p>Pass/Fail is also an option: However, it often cannot be used toward major courses. Or at least that’s how it works here. Also, even with GERs, it can only be used for about 1 course.</p>

<p>This IS an important thread. While you might feel overwhelmed academically I bet if you step back you will admit you are learning and growing. You love your school and hopefully you are doing the best you can. You will never regret this, never. You never grow and get better unless you surround yourself with people that are stronger than you. That is what potential is all about. Pushing yourself to achieve more. Athletes know this…it is also true of intellectual pursuits. 2.9 is not bad. It is actually just fine for a freshman and as you are able to fill your schedule with more and more classes that interest you (hopefully your major) you will find your stride and your GPA comfort zone. </p>

<p>Learn your limitations as Bernie points out. Plan your schedule accordingly. Learn when to “bail” on a class or utilize options available. Those are all life lessons that have implications beyond college. Best of luck and come back and post after you graduate! I had the opportunity to get a copy of my transcript this year - many, many decades after my BA. It was an eye opener (not horrible, but perhaps less than I remembered LOL) This is just a flash of time in your life and if you are happy where you are thrive and grow. Find people to hug you once in awhile when it gets tough and to celebrate with when times are good or come back here and us “rents” will prop you up.</p>

<p>When I went to school, eons ago, I got rejected from my top choice and was forced to attend a school where my SAT scores were probably 250 points or more above the median on each section.</p>

<p>I got over the rejection, but much to my dismay, what I assumed would be a cruise through freshman year turned out to be very hard.</p>

<p>College is supposed to be harder than high school. 2.9 is not a horrible GPA. You seem to have your head screwed on correctly, so give it a little time. You may well adjust, as those upthread have noted.</p>

<p>Great topic. I think a lot depends on the individual student. Some kids thrive when they are challenged and strive to achieve at the level of the brilliant students around them; others are intimidated when they’re surrounded by kids they view as being better/smarter, etc. than they are. My child is more the latter - she doesn’t need to be at the top, but she doesn’t have a ton of confidence and is easily intimidated. To the dismay of her guidance counselor, her college list is mostly safety schools, and that’s fine with me. I don’t think she needs to add the reaches he wants her to. I know many parents (and their kids) who are pushing for reachy reach schools. While that’s totally appropriate in many cases, I can think of a few where pushing the reach schools so hard is doing a disservice to the student. </p>

<p>OP, hang in there. College is an adjustment, and you may find that you do just fine at school in the coming years, especially since you love your school.</p>

<p>You are not alone, my D is going through the exact same thing as you are, only her gpa is even slightly lower. She has kept in touch with us and was honest about her struggles. Sometimes, academics just comes harder for some, which was a surprise to her, because she had done great in hs.<br>
Everyone says that Sophomore yr usually goes much smoother, because you know more of what to expect & will be more familiar with your surroundings. Things will look up, and I believe that you have come to the right place for advice and support. Good luck!</p>

<p>Good points by mdoc and momofthree boys.</p>

<p>Some kids will do better/be happier where they can be near the top of the class. This is not an ego thing, but rather thriving on the positive feedback and success. That is only human.</p>

<p>Others might struggle with the challenge of having more “able” peers but reap the benefits of being surrounded by strong peers. And they can also learn the life skills of how to handle pressure, how to stare at difficulty and find ways to cope with it and succeeed.</p>

<p>Randy Pausch talked about the Brick Wall in his final lecture. Some people come up against one and give up. Others find ways to go over, under, around or through.</p>

<p>For what it’s worth, I had a 2.9 GPA my first year, and ended up Phi Beta Kappa, with a fellowship at Oxford.</p>

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<p>wow, this really gives me hope!</p>

<p>anyways, i commend you for bringing this up. i had always wished i was homeschooled because you all are independent thinkers. it will get better and don’t think you’re anything less than your peers at your school. congrats on getting into your top, i wish the same was for me, but we all end up where we’re supposed to be.</p>