West Coast Ivy League

Colleges and Universities A-Z Stanford University
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<p>And I respectfully disagree. As another poster mentioned in another thread like this, merely because the Ivy League is a grouping of eight prestigious schools (on varying levels) does not mean that there is anything implicitly prestigious about the Ivy League. The Ivy League has not changed; what has is the layman's definition of the Ivy League... and I don't think I'm alone in questioning the authority of the layman to define what has not changed in the last century. </p>

<p>If want to propose to create some ineffectual academic alliance of West Coast schools, then by all means try, but don't expect people to take you seriously when you're trying to create some "Ivy replica."</p>

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<p>My my. You must be Karl Rove's long lost brother. </p>

<p>Ask any Brown, Dartmouth graduate what is the best about their school. They will inevitably say " Oh the Ivy League pedigree". Oh my gawd is what I am thinking at that point. Having seen UC Irvine students that impress me more on average than Brown students, it seems silly to cling to this "Ivy League status makes me superior" and then claim that it doesn't really matter.</p>

<p>If you truly believe in your ivy status, than you should not feel threatened by a west coast Ivy league that matches the backslapping network of the east coast ivy league. Also, remember that this will force schools like Brown to improve their seriously deficient departments, and in the end become better for it.</p>

<p>Remember that competition is a good thing. Always has and always will. To obscure the benefits of competition into a monopoly is when society truly loses out on benefits of improving standards.</p>

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<p>"Ask any Brown, Dartmouth graduate what is the best about their school. They will inevitably say ' Oh the Ivy League pedigree'."</p>

<p>Ummm...no. That's ridiculous. People go to those schools for lots of reasons. Dartmouth has the D-plan, which makes for amazing study abroad opportunities, and some of the best language, science, and history departments in the country. Brown has an open curriculum (no general ed requirements) and a very diverse student body. Different things appeal to different people. What's your beef with Brown and Dartmouth? </p>

<p>As a California native and a Dartmouth undergrad, I can say that prestige whoring has nothing to do with 99 percent of students' decisions to come here. First of all, Ivy League or not, a lot of people haven't heard of Dartmouth. I got into Berkeley, and going there would have impressed more people in California, because more people in the state have heard of it and know its prestige. I've been asked MANY times by Californians, "Dartmouth? Where's that?" which is their polite way of saying "I've never heard of that school in my life." I simply tell them it's in New Hampshire and that I'm having an amazing experience there. Prestige really doesn't matter; it's about finding a school that's a fit for you. NO ONE that goes here would say that the best thing about Dartmouth is it's Ivy League pedigree. Most people would probably mention the school's close-knit student body, strong undergrad focus, or amazing social scene. Why the need to belittle schools you obviously know so little about?</p>

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<p>California1600 grow up. People go to Brown and Dartmouth because they are amazing undergraduate experiences. Often, people chose these schools over Harvard and Yale precisely because they want to be there. In fact it can be said that the HYP students are the ones chasing the prestige. At Columbia I found people all wanted to go to Harvard but didnt get in, the Dartmouth students wanted to be there. That is why I transferred.</p>

<p>The fact that Brown and Dartmouth are not highly ranked in most individual departments is due to the fact that they are semi-LACS and don't even have grad programs in most! </p>

<p>The rank for grad school placement in the Wall Street Journal rankings is #7 for Dartmouth, and Brown is #9. UCI isnt even ranked in the top 50. For grad school in physics, a large university atmosphere with lots of resources is of course better, but for an undergrad experience Brown and Dartmouth are amazing in every respect. </p>

<p>As an alumnus Dartmouth you will be a part of one of the strongest and most successful alumni networks out there, and this pays off in jobs, grad placement, etc. We are talking about UNDERGRAD here, and Dartmouth is consistently top 10 in every ranking survey out there, Brown top 15. The UCs never break the top 20. </p>

<p>Once again, would I go to UCB for physics grad school over Brown, in a heartbeat. For undergrad? Not a chance.</p>

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<p>I would go to Cal or UCLA for undergrad over almost every Ivy League school. Brown or Dartmouth for grad school? Not a chance!</p>

<p>slipper1234, dont get mad at me. I have an opinion just like you. I respect your opinion so I expect you to respect mine. Can you provide a link or a reference to all of these undergraduate rankings you refer to?</p>

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<p>I am just repeating what hiring managers have said to me. That they would much rather hire UC Irvine engineers over the lower ranking Ivy league engineers. Also from experience, I have not been impressed with Dartmouth and Brown students. Perhaps the reason for this is because of a child-like dependency on the ivy league status. How many of the Dartmouth/Brown students would have gone there if it wasn't an ivy league? Also, every school is open to criticism, that is why we live in a democracy, because it is healthy to self evaluate and analyze freely. </p>

<p>In graduate school discussions, I have rarely seen a Dartmouth or Brown graduate impress me, and have been surprised at UC Irvine students, even though it is a lower ranking public university. If this wasn't the case, I wouldn't be saying any of what I am saying. Current reality is something that all of us needs to face, ivy league or not.</p>

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<p>if you're a good student you'll succeed wherever you go. california1600 makes a good point that people try to use their ivy league status as a crutch, but is sort of hypocritical because he/she goes on to say that there is a "california ivy league" that employers are impressed by. </p>

<p>go to the school that is best fit for you, and don't care what anyone else says.</p>

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<p>Yes. Sometimes, having a real playing hand is the only way to be seen eye to eye with another who has every perceptual (not reality based) advantage going for them, and thereby leveling the field for pure talent to play .</p>

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<p>Perhaps the reason for this is because of a child-like dependency on the ivy league status. How many of the Dartmouth/Brown students would have gone there if it wasn't an ivy league?>>>></p>

<p>I'm sure many students would choose those schools if they knew about it. Because they are both Ivy league schools, they're both pretty well-known. Even if they weren't in the Ivy league school, people would STILL go there regardless. They're both GREAT schools... and like filmxoxo17 said, just choose a school that's right for you! Want a school with prestige? Then go there! Want a close-knit community? Choose a small LAC. In any case, who cares what the reason is-- in the end it's their future and their time spent in the university.</p>

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<p>Hey, California1600...when I get out of school and start off in an investment banking firm at 120K a year with my nice IVY LEAGUE degree, I'll be sure to honor your UC Irvine degree with a nice position in the janitor department...maybe I'll even pay you a hundred bucks to pop my collar. I'll be sure to drive off with your girlfriend with my BMW 330Ci, buy her so many nine dollar drinks that she can't stand up, take a bunch of liberties with her, and then dump her on your front porch the next morning. Don't like it? Take it up with me...me and my frat buddies will set you straight. I bet you went to public school... </p>

<p>Oh wait a second, now I remember...YOU'RE the one being the jealous prestige wh0re...tell me did you actually apply to Dartmouth? If so, give me your address and I will personally mail you a check for the amount of your application fee. It's such a pity when people throw their money away applying somewhere where they have no chance of getting in. It's just more of a shame when they take out their rage by trying to belittle the schools...It just fascinates me that you have to resort to name-calling. What are you, a kindergartener or a high school senior? I mean, I understand you're jealous of Ivy Leaguers because of your pathetic inferiority complex that when we graduate we're going to be your bosses, but I mean, come on... </p>

<p>Tool...</p>

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<h1>1. How about USNEWS for one (<a href="http://www.usnews.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.usnews.com&lt;/a&gt;). OR the gourman report. Or the WSJ grad school placement. ...I am talking about overall undergraduate rankings. Dartmouth has never been ranked below 11 ever in USNEWS for example. Do some research on your own, you will see what I mean.</h1>

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<li><p>Dartmouth and Brown have alot of people besides engineers, which is far from their strong suit. In fact most engineers from these schools never go to grad school and end up pursuing business careers in consulting and banking.</p></li>
<li><p>People dont go to Dartmouth and Brown because they are "Ivy League." They are top schools with excellent grad placement and have great recruitment success in business areas. They go because of all the top schools they are the most undergrad focused. They go for the communities. And to say that D and B students are below UC Irvine is crazy, the average SAT score at Dartmouth was something like a 1430 last year.</p></li>
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<p>Yea right u can be a banker. You're not smart enough. Also get your facts straight, in this type of market with the bonuses available, in corporate finance, M&A, year end bonuses, signing bonus along with starting salary will be around 90-100K at the MOST. Its not 1999 anymore sonny boy. BTW, I didn't go to UC Irvine. But I did go to a UC. I also turned down acceptances from UPenn and Cornell to attend my choice of UC. What frat are you by chance? Im in a fraternity too. BTW, you shouldn't have bought your 330CI this year, cus next year when the new model comes out your car will drop dramatically in value. </p>

<p>You sure do have a potty mouth. I guess Dartmouth grads certainly do know how to make a bad name for themselves.</p>

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<p>Obviously you missed the sarcasm in my post. And the Georgetown Lampoon article from last spring.</p>

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<p>^ I didn't hear what fraternity you were in. Perhaps you are ignoring that part of my post.</p>

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<p>California1600, I don't know what makes you a Brown hater. It is incomprehensible to me since Brown is all the way in RI and is relatively obscure in California. Why would hiring managers even got into the business of telling people how they like UC Irvine grads better than those from Ivies anyway? LOL! If you want to make up stories here, try to make them more real next time.</p>