<p>"purge the earth of redundant beasts and people." nazi and rwanad comes to mind. genocide? really?</p>
<p>GeekNerd do I sense a /sarcasm?</p>
<p>audiorage18, sort of yes. Actually I'm neutral on the topic, but some arguments are just plain myopic.
It is very decent of you to ask, as sometimes my serious posts are just as overpitched.</p>
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It took me a while to decode rwanad, so for anyone else confused, it's probably Rwanda.</p>
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<p>I used to be one of the most fervent anti-Japanese racist you would ever know.</p>
<p>I still believe they have a right legally to hunt whales. Let me guess, you don't want me to shoot up deer and ducks as well?</p>
<p>Are you really comparing hunting deer to hunting whales (particularly humpback whales)? Many of these whales are endangered, whereas deer are not.</p>
<p>I am against the killing of any endangered animals, but sadly I feel there is no solution to the problem except discussion with the Japanese.</p>
<p>boy if you're this nutzo about whales, then you must be insanely bonkers about people getting killed!</p>
<p>dang i'd love to see how many threads you've made about that topic, seeing as how they're people and not animals and all. ya man lets go save the whales! then later on when we make some free time lets think about saving a person or two!</p>
<p>I think maybe I should express my opinion of neutrality.</p>
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<li>I seriously want a taste of whale soup.</li>
<li>I just don't get the idea that whales should be protected as whales themselves, videlicet my total nonsupport of animal rights.</li>
<li>Knowledge of the marine ecosystem does not support the idea that we can just do away with the whales. In fact, our knowledge of the ecosystem is very incomplete.</li>
<li>This is not a relatively important debate. The world food crisis should use more of my time. imrightuarewrong, you might be interested in looking at the CC thread on ZPG.</li>
<li>It may be possible to augment the whales with an artificial ecosystem.</li>
<li>We need a few more years before we can do that, so let some of them live for now.</li>
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<p>Again, "that" post was "sort of" sarcastic. I don't use sarcasm in the vitriolic normal-people form.</p>
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Unless they can prove that whaling severely harms the ocean's ecosystem and our well-being
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<p>Cattle farming is pretty destructive to the environment, and all that unsanitary beef is not good for America's health. Let's ban beef.</p>
<p>I care very much about the whales. I believe that the Lion King's circle of life is actually what happens in real life. Hakuna matata. As we all know from these noble activists, animals only have a right to exist if they are cute, furry, or "intelligent". And if they are extra cute, really fuzzy wuzzy furry, or especially "intelligent", then that animal is clearly more important than a starving/illiterate/persecuted child in a third-world country.</p>
<p>Here are two valid points that have been missed, unequivocally pro-whaling:</p>
<p>Whaling provides a potentially sustainable source of income. In particular, some families would starve without it.</p>
<p>The anti-whaling movement is more-or-less an immature culture shock.</p>
<p>I somehow think the OP has left the building?</p>
<p>I'm going to reply to this in the only way it deserves:</p>
<p>Oh, NOM NOM NOM WHALE NOM NOM NOM.</p>
<p>Also, Japan kills far less whale than Norway. Where it's almost free compared to Japan. Silly misinformed kids thinking they're "fighting a cause'.</p>
<p>Obviously you dont understand Norway hunts whales that are bountiful and around their own country. Japan goes around the entire world and hunt endangered whales as well as whales that have been more fortunate. Japan also hunts carelessy, they dont care what kind of whale it is nor do they care how old. Theres a video of them showing killing the mother and the baby whale. Also Japan lies about its hunting, using the term "Research". And also the fact that they buy votes from poor countried that are on the ruling organization on whales and whale hunting through aid and cheap things.</p>
<p>and yes, rwanda is what i meant.</p>
<p>Mishiru, obviously you're opinion is biased because you are japanese, or I would assume so.</p>
<p>You know what, your posts have inspired me to run for political office so I can get my vote bought in order to support some whale killin' (without the g its hip and cool, yo) </p>
<p>Or maybe I can just take a trip to japan or somewhere else and throw some sticks or something at a whales head, that might do the trick</p>
<p>And you know what they always say! Don't assume! It makes an ASS out of U and ME! Ha Ha Ha, get it? Its funny because the word ass is in the word assume.</p>
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I care very much about the whales. I believe that the Lion King's circle of life is actually what happens in real life. Hakuna matata. As we all know from these noble activists, animals only have a right to exist if they are cute, furry, or "intelligent". And if they are extra cute, really fuzzy wuzzy furry, or especially "intelligent", then that animal is clearly more important than a starving/illiterate/persecuted child in a third-world country.
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<p>Haha. Vicious, but accurate for the most part.</p>
<p>I don't hate animal activism, but I find a lot of it to be extremely superficial (i.e. only being worried about the cute animals). Hell, I think some of these people would rather save a baby seal than a rail-thin, "ugly" dark-skinned person.</p>
<p>i think all animal activists are hypocrites unless they're vegetarians.</p>
<p>"Japan also hunts carelessly, they don't care what kind of whale it is nor do they care how old. There's a video of them showing killing the mother and the baby whale."</p>
<p>Well Oh no!!! Hurt the animals? A mommy and a baby? Oh no!!! What's the whale going to do? Cry? </p>
<p>"Obviously you don't understand Norway hunts whales that are bountiful and around their own country. Japan goes around the entire world and hunt endangered whales as well as whales that have been more fortunate."</p>
<p>Well that's good, at least if Japan cleans out the whole earth of poor whale Mommy's, Norway will still have a lot! Then they can go over there and eat the bountiful and near by whales! Isn't that great?</p>
<p>Do you live in Norway? Are you also a whale hunter? Then you have no idea how they do it is Norway.</p>
<p>Also you need a full stomach to do "research," right? Okay, then killing whale IS research.</p>
<p>mishiru your arguments are possibly the worst i have ever heard on this forum.</p>
<p>Please elaborate and I'll see if I can't help you out, Eeeeric.</p>
<p>Now that we are turning to Japan, a slight distinction from the general topic, here's another point of view. It is neutral, of course, on the general topic. (All about Japan)</p>
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A worldwide crusade to get the whales may deprive other countries of wailmer populations. For example, if Norway whaled near the mid-Atlantic, whale soup for me in the Caribbean would be scarce and expensive. Around the North and Mid-Atlantic, biologists from many countries are also employed in studying whalies. They could lose their livelihoods if countries went on free reign in whaling. Similarly, although Japan generally prefers international waters, it doesn't consider that maybe someone in Australia (you know who you are) might want to black market some (endangered) whale soup. If the whaling occurs in national waters, the nation should receive some diplomatic or commercial compensation (to follow the normal process of inter-national fishing) (although whales aren't fish).</p>
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Lies are not nice. Now, one might speak for the benefit of the doubt, but it's in plain sight that those whalies are mainly for whale soup. A civil argument isn't that bad, is it? Maybe it was first viewed as a white lie, and then one lie befitted another, ad nauseum.</p>
<p>With all of this, even though I'd like a taste of whale soup, I might not go through with it. Whales are mammals, and I cannot handle much red meat. (Three cubic inches of beef is my limit, as an example). It would be nice to just stick to tuna, but the tuna need to be farmed now, which brings me to a suggestion.</p>
<p>Japan farms tuna. Why can't it just farm wailmers (tag them from birth to keep track). GM the whales for convenience, and nobody is going to harass you for hunting your own species!</p>