<p>Rivalries are fun and exciting IMO-
Harvard has Yale
Penn has Princeton (or they wish they did)
Stanford and Princeton...(?)</p>
<p>etc. etc...</p>
<p>So just curious- does Columbia have any major rivalries or does no one care we exist =)?</p>
<p>Princeton's our rival much more than it is Stanford's. Any penn/princeton rivalry is almost entirely in basketball. We, on the other hand, actively hate their pansy asses.</p>
<p>Rivalrically-speaking, of course.</p>
<p>Lol. I firmly believe Penn and Columbia should develop some sort of Rivalry. Let's face it- Princeton is wayyyyyy to busy trying to get into some of that Harvard-Yale action (while the latter two couldn't care less about Pton). Penn is more in our league academically (according to the crappy ass USNWR rankings). Too bad they kick our ass in every one of our sports tho... hah =)</p>
<p>Maybe between us and Brown regarding the core vs no core? There're always a bunch of jokes--"I should have just gone to Brown because..." mostly because it has kind of hippie-esque atmosphere: take whichever classes you feel like taking, if you don't believe in grades, fine, you can pass/fail everything. There's kind of NYU because they're the other big NYC school. I've never heard of any kind of rival between us and Princeton; I always figured they were more worried about, like someone else said, trying to get in on the Harvard-Yale rivalry. The most notable rivalries are all around sports though, so we don't have any really heated rivalries.</p>
<p>lol tacit implication. Lions suck at sports. period =P</p>
<p>I dunno. The Columbia-Princeton football game is always the biggest one of the year for both sides.</p>
<p>Columbia-Princeton has a historical precedent (the Hamilton-Burr duel). Moreover, Princeton does seem the most actively hated school on campus; I think this has to do partly with Princeton's stereotypical demographics (rich, WASP) and its suburban location, not to mention that it's close to New York but, unlike Yale, isn't definitively attached to another rivalry. It matters little that it's unrequited hate; look at Cornell's hockey "rivalry" with Harvard...</p>
<p>On the other hand, attempts to start Columbia-Brown or Columbia-Penn rivalries always fizzle, primarily because no self-respecting Columbian believes these schools to really be on our level.</p>
<p>Brown-Columbia is the football "rivalry" in that it's the last week of the season every year as with Harvard-Yale, UM-tOSU, Army-Navy, etc. The other Ivy rivalry games are Penn-Princeton and Cornell-Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Ever since Princeton' s Aaron Burr killed Columbia's Alexander Hamilton in a dual, Columbia has hated Princeton.</p>
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On the other hand, attempts to start Columbia-Brown or Columbia-Penn rivalries always fizzle, primarily because no self-respecting Columbian believes these schools to really be on our level.
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it's true. our sports teams suck a lot more than theirs, every year.</p>
<p>IMO, if Ivy League schools want to start rivalries they should do it between their "marching" bands. This might garner more interest among the student bodies than most of their sports teams do.</p>
<p>"On the other hand, attempts to start Columbia-Brown or Columbia-Penn rivalries always fizzle, primarily because no self-respecting Columbian believes these schools to really be on our level."</p>
<p>So, she was right.....</p>
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Brown-Columbia is the football "rivalry" in that it's the last week of the season every year as with Harvard-Yale, UM-tOSU, Army-Navy, etc. The other Ivy rivalry games are Penn-Princeton and Cornell-Dartmouth.
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<p>Except...not. To the extent that people at Columbia get excited about a football game, it's usually not the Brown one. Homecoming is often the Princeton game for a reason...and let's not forget the triumphant theft of one of Princeton's goalposts in the 80s, which I believe is still in a Columbia frat.</p>
<p>In terms of non-sports attitudes, Brown is surprisingly underhated...in fact, it seems to have been the alternative choice of many people here. I guess leftist politics count for them more than the Core. Many professors detest Harvard for reasons I've never figured out. Princeton, as I've said, is primarily mocked for its stereotyped student body; Penn is looked down upon for comparatively mediocre academic quality and just seeming lack of famous/interesting personalities associated with it. Cornell and Dartmouth are believed to be so remote they may as well be in Alaska...no one pays any attention to Yale, really.</p>
<p>BTW to the newly admitted- one class of 2010er told me he felt like it was his solemn duty to learn Ivy stereotypes within his first week here...come prepared!</p>
<p>When I visited NYU earlier this year, it seemed there was some distinct rival tension there, perhaps not sports wise (seeing as how they certainly aren't known for their sports) more cultural/academic perhaps? Maybe a bit one sided from what I got, but still an interesting dynamic</p>
<p>I don't think Columbia has any real rivalry with NYU (although my wife, who attended NYU, likes to think otherwise) or any other school. I would say if there is a rivalry with NYU, it would be between NYU Law and Columbia Law. Since those two schools are closer to each other in terms of rankings and quality, I think it is more natural for them to have a rivalry. At the college level, however, I think because of the big gap between the educational experience and qualitative nature of the schools, there really isn't a rivalry. Outside of NYU, there really isn't another local school that has national recognition. Like others have said or alluded to, competition on the field brings out or nurtures a rivalry and, unfortunately, we all know too well about CU's historical performance in football (although we went 5-5 this year--first time in 10 years to not have a losing season) and b-ball.</p>
<p>NYU put downs on the Columbia campus are fairly common (see the facebook group "NYU students will bag my groceries"), and few at either school question those who transfer uptown. It's true that many Columbia students have gone on to NYU's grad schools though; Tisch and the law school are light years ahead of the undergrad program. There is a cultural tension between the undergrads in that NYU students are considered vaguely "cooler," though most would say this status does not make up for Columbia's superior academic reputation/alumni performance.</p>
<p>"Penn is looked down upon for comparatively mediocre academic quality and just seeming lack of famous/interesting personalities associated with it."</p>
<p>Yeah, Donald Trump, Michael Millken, Noam Chomsky, Candice Begen, Bruce Dern, Zane Grey, Ezra Pound, Walter O'Malley,Walter Annenberg, Henry & Richard Bloch, William S. Paley, J.D. Power, John Sculley, Laurence Tisch, Steve Wynn, Arlen Specter, what a bunch of inconsequential, boring stiffs. Leaving aside about 4 zillion CEOs.</p>
<p>"Since those two schools are closer to each other in terms of rankings and quality, I think it is more natural for them to have a rivalry. At the college level, however, I think because of the big gap between the educational experience..."</p>
<p>"..most would say this status does not make up for Columbia's superior academic reputation/alumni performance."</p>
<p>Does anyone see a pattern emerging? Prospies take note.</p>
<p>Monydad,
Who are these people??? I think I might've read about Michael Milken getting out of jail recently, if we are talking about the same person. Also, I might've heard of Donald Trump. He is the slumlord, right?</p>
<p>CG</p>
<p>1) Some convicted criminals are famous and interesting, some aren't. Michael Milken was convicted of improperly manipulating the high-yield market. But before that, he virtually created that market and completely dominated it. He was clearly among the most high-profile individuals on Wall Street during the early 80s boom. </p>
<p>2) That was his dad, I believe.</p>
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Yeah, Donald Trump, Michael Millken, Noam Chomsky, Candice Begen, Bruce Dern, Zane Grey, Ezra Pound, Walter O'Malley,Walter Annenberg, Henry & Richard Bloch, William S. Paley, J.D. Power, John Sculley, Laurence Tisch, Steve Wynn, Arlen Specter, what a bunch of inconsequential, boring stiffs. Leaving aside about 4 zillion CEOs.
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<p>Are these all UPenn undergrad alums? I have no idea; I'm just wondering if we're comparing apples to apples.</p>
<p>Let's see...via Wikipedia and Google...</p>
<p>Penn undergrad: Noam Chomsky, Zane Grey (who?), Candice Bergen ("Candice attended the University of Pennsylvania, but acknowledges that her failure to take her education seriously resulted in her being asked to leave."), Ezra Pound ("attended for two years before transferring to Hamilton College"), Walter O'Malley (who?), Steve Wynn, Arlen Specter</p>
<p>Wharton undergrad: Donald Trump, Walter Annenberg (who?), Richard Bloch
Wharton masters: Michael Milken, William S. Paley (who?), J.D. Power, John Sculley (who?), </p>
<p>Others: Henry Bloch ("began his college career at the University of Missouri at Kansas City, and later transferred to the University of Michigan, from which he graduated")</p>
<p>So among legitimately well-known Penn undergrads, we have Chomsky, one senator, and a Las Vegas hotelier, plus a bunch of Wharton corporate people...</p>