What are my chances at Stanford? EA and RD.

GPA: unweighted - 3.95
weighted - 3.96
ACT: 31 (going to raise in October)
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): 10/430
AP: Bio, World, Chem, Physics B, USH, AP English III
Senior Year Course Load: AP Physics C, AP Calc AB, AP Gov/Econ, AP Comp Sci, Computer Languages (C++), Speech and Debate, Varsity theatre, AP English IV
Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): nat qual group and duet acting (ITS), NFL member, TFA nat qual duet acting, Thespian VP scholar, Thespian Scholar, honor thespian 3-star

Extracurriculars (place leadership in parenthesis): Theatre (VP then President), Speech and Debate, Mentoring (executive council - leaders of mentors), UIL CS team, NHS, lead in 6 plays
Job/Work Experience: summer job
Volunteer/Community service: 200+ hours, helped start a theatre camp to give back to the children of my community
Summer Activities: theatre camp, work, theatre volunteering, and miscellaneous volunteering

State (if domestic applicant): TX
Country (if international applicant): USA
School Type: Public (number 60 school in all of Texas)
Ethnicity: Latino descent, Race: caucasian
Gender: male

Stanford is a crapshoot for everyone, even those with 2400s so there’s no way to know for sure. You’re definitely on the lower end though. Most of your ECs appear to be theatre related and your ACT is fine but one or two points only helps.

^Truth; what are you majoring in? Especially if you aren’t doing something with your ECs…becomes more and more of a crapshoot

Your UW GPA and class rank are fine. Your senior course load seems ridiculous (5 APs + computer languages + speech and debate + varsity theater). Your ACT of 31 is on the low end of Stanford 25-75% range. Raising that score plus adding some strong subject tests wouldn’t hurt. What were your AP scores?

A few questions/thoughts:

  • Are you applying SCEA or RD?
  • What is your direction? Theatre is obviously your focus, but CS and speech and debate also seem like significant activities. How do these fit together?
  • Have you contacted Stanford's Theater and Performance Studies department? Are you going to submit an arts supplement? Do you have someone from whom you can get a supplemental recommendation speaking to your theatrical ability and focus? I believe that Stanford requires that students submitting an arts supplement have a letter from an arts instructor:

http://taps.stanford.edu/ba.html

Do you have a website, list of performances and significant theatre activities, or theatrical resume? Again, I believe that Stanford requires that students include a resume their theatre experience. You should also note that the SCEA deadline for an arts supplement is October 15, and for RD it is December 1.

  • Stanford has a big effort in place to encourage interdisciplinary studies between CS and the humanities, with a trial joint major program called CS + X:

https://undergrad.stanford.edu/academic-planning/majors-minors/joint-majors-csx

There are CS + arts and CS + music joint programs, but I don’t know if anyone has ever done a joint CS + Theater and Performance Studies joint major. It could be something interesting to discuss on your application or in interviews.

  • For a good example of someone who managed to take a strong theatre arts background to Harvard, look at Mark Mauriello's website:

http://www.markmauriello.com

See also:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/10/9/a-day-in-the-life-mark-mauriello/

Another interesting person is Kari Barclay, an A.B. Duke Scholar at Duke who is combining interests in the theater arts with public policy and social activism:

http://abduke.duke.edu/community/members/k-barclay/profile/
https://today.duke.edu/2015/05/kari-barclay-2015-american-humanity-action-fellow#video
https://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/pub/kari-barclay/98/b66/717

These are 2 people who have taken theatre performance to a very high academic level. You might want to contact them and ask for advice about how to market your theatre background for application purposes.

The good news is that you have something distinctive in your background that you can make stand out from the crowd of qualified applicants.

Good luck!

Eek.

‘Helpful’ posts don’t come much better than that.

@Mikewazowski33, if you are interested in combining your CS and theatre performance interests, you might consider doing something with “digital theatre” or “digital performance”, which includes virtually reality studies.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/digital-performance
http://digitalhumanities.org/companion/view?docId=blackwell/9781405103213/9781405103213.xml&chunk.id=ss1-2-11

You could write an interesting essay on the intersection between these areas.

@renaissancedad I want to focus purely on CS.

I think that makes you substantially less interesting as an applicant, and to Stanford. There are tons of people as or more qualified than you as a CS applicant. It’s your theatre that makes you different, and Stanford is very interested in people who can bridge CS and the humanities.

@renaissancedad then I think I will focus on CS+Theatre. So what degree type is that? Is it kind of like a double major?

@Mikewazowski33, God knows I’m no expert. I don’t have any direct connection to adcoms, and I can’t speak with absolute authority. But, for what it’s worth, here’s my 2 cents:

  1. When you apply to a school like Stanford, you are applying to the university at large, not to a specific major or program. If you are lucky enough to be accepted, you can do whatever you want. They will be committing to and investing in you as a person, not for a specific skill set (unless you are an athlete on scholarship) or program, even though specific skills and past experiences may have influenced their decision to accept you. There is a tacit understanding that people will evolve in different ways when they are thrown into the melting pot and exposed to such a fabulous collection of resources, and no one expects that you will just continue to do what you have done in the past. So if you get in and decide that CS alone is just what you want to do, that's fine. I'm certainly not suggesting that you have to do a program of study that isn't where your true interest lies.

My brother and I were both serious classical musicians, with very strong academic credentials. We were at a Julliard level, and many of the people we played with went on to Julliard or similar top conservatories and to have successful careers in music. Because of our other interests, neither of us wanted to go the conservatory route. My brother ended up going to Harvard, I went to Stanford. Both of us planned for music to be a major part of our undergraduate experience, but we both found that pursuing music performance at the same level with the same focus was very difficult in a setting where there were so many other opportunities and directions. My brother even took a semester off from Harvard to go to a conservatory to make sure that he didn’t want to give up music as a focus; but in the end we independently both cut back significantly on our music, and it wasn’t a major part of our undergraduate experience. There was no intent to do this when we applied, that was just how things worked out.

  1. With that said, there's a difference between what you end up doing, and how you position yourself when applying. Stanford is deluged with people wanting to study CS, and many of them have done incredible things. Your qualifications as a CS applicant don't make you stand out from the crowd, and in order to increase your chances of admission you need to differentiate yourself. Your theatre background is by far your best chance of doing this.

Stanford’s CS/engineering excellence has become a bit of a two-edged sword for the university. On the one hand, those areas bring in tons of money and attract top applicants. On the other hand, they have tended to become the tail that wags the dog, and Stanford seems concerned about becoming the “MIT of the West” rather than the “Harvard of the West”. To that end, they are trying to attract more people with interests in the humanities and the social sciences, and to create programs that would allow people to bridge those areas with CS/engineering. The Stanford Summer Humanities Institute was created a few years ago in part to attract potential candidates with humanities interests.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/01/14/stanfords-summer-humanities-institute-brings-talented-humanities-students-to-campus/

The CS + X joint major is another endeavor in this direction. It’s a 6 year trial joint major program that was started for 2 reasons: (1) there are a lot of people with humanities interests who end up going into CS or engineering because they think that’s more likely to be practical and get them jobs, and the university wanted to create a path whereby they could continue in the humanities without sacrificing that; and (2) the “digital humanities” is a tremendous emerging area of interest in its own right. As they note in the webpage for the program: “Intersecting opposites create altered perspectives, fresh intellectual possibilities and new strengths. … Our goal is to give Stanford students the chance to become a new type of engineer and a new type of humanist.”

It’s a “joint major”, not a double major, meaning it’s a specifically designed program which streamlines some of the requirements and is a bit friendlier than doing 2 independent majors. For some details about the program, check out their website and FAQ page:

https://undergrad.stanford.edu/academic-planning/majors-minors/joint-majors-csx/csx-faqs-students

I don’t think you need to worry about what you actually end up doing right now. If you are fortunate enough to be accepted you may end up liking this kind of opportunity, or you may decide to go straight CS, or do something else altogether. But for the purposes of maximizing your application chance, I would personally recommend pushing your theatre background as hard as you can, and considering discussing the idea of combining CS and the humanities given that it is an area of interest for the university. If your theatre work is at a level that you can submit an arts supplement, do it; it emphasizes your humanities qualifications as an applicant. And if there is a way to work this into your essays (including the 3 supplemental short essays that Stanford requires) or interviews, then you should try to do so. It doesn’t commit you to anything.

It’s all about differentiation. As a straight CS applicant you don’t stand out. As someone with dual CS and theatre interests who is interested in “altered perspectives” and “fresh intellectual possibilities” created by “intersecting opposites”, you do.

Again, I have no direct input, and getting in to Stanford is extremely difficult no matter who you are. But this is what I would personally do if I were in your place.

well becase you’re latino… you’ll get in

Being a URM would certainly help, though Stanford gets a higher percentage of latino applicants than do the Ivies. I’m not sure whether the OP qualifies as a URM or not. It depends how distant his “latino descent” was. If the OP is 1/4 latino or more, and/or if he has identified himself as latino in the past, then it’s definitely a consideration.

@renaissancedad I am technically 1/4 Latino. But my dad is first generation american who got an MBA. His mom was born in Poland, raised in Cuba and his dad was born in Chile, raised in Cuba. My mom is of Eastern European descent.

You should check out the rules on URM status. I believe that entitles you to list yourself as hispanic/latino, especially if you have identified yourself with that group in the past.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/urm-applicant-faq.html

Checking off both white and latino is not dishonest. Stanford gets a fair number of latino applicants, but it certainly won’t hurt, and may help some. If you have any doubt, call the Stanford admissions office.

You are awesome and Stanford would be blessed to have you. Make sure though that you are not applying only for the name recognition. I started at Yale University, but transferred to Oberlin College, and could not be more happy about my decision. Yale is awesome, but not for me. And the only thing I lost by transferring to Oberlin, is not being able to say I graduated from Yale University

Also, for schools like Stanford, it doesn’t hurt if you find a cure for cancer :slight_smile: