<p>Oxbridge most certainly don’t only care about numbers – you have to interview.</p>
<p>Dartmouth may be a golden ticket in the US. Though it doesn’t have quite the same ‘wow’ factor as Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT. Put it this way, on an American tv show, if they want to show a character is ‘super-smart’, they do it by saying they went to Harvard or MIT or wherever. Not Dartmouth.</p>
<p>But in any case, Dartmouth is virtually unknown in the UK.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is virtually unknown in the UK, so probably not the best choice for future British job prospects. </p>
<p>Despite comments to the contrary, those four are entirely need blind and full need including for international applicants - so applying for aid is not a problem at all. Also, Yale certainly doesn’t have any caps on the number of internationals it admits and I would suspect it’s the same for the others.</p>
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<p>Guess you guys haven’t watched the huge TV hit Gossip Girl. While harvard, Yale and Princeton are well known by the masses, schools like Dartmouth, Williams and Amherst have long been well known as the best kept secrets of the American elite. Here in the US, the only people you worry about knowing about the truly top colleges are the ones hiring for top jobs.</p>
<p>For starters, you are getting a lot of ‘high school kid advise’- Dartmouth’s general public rep in the UK is of little significance. Dartmouth is not even known in the US lol. But who cares-If you want to get ‘Ooohs’ and ‘aaahs’ for your college that is a different thing. However, when you send your Resume to a company (a large number of American companies in the UK, funny vice versa wise not many UK companies in the US), they would know how good Dartmouth is. And when you want to go to graduate school back in the UK at Oxbridge/LSE you would be at the top of the pile having attended one of the strongest LACs.</p>
<p>There is a dartmouth club in london: [Dartmouth</a> Club of London](<a href=“Dartmouth Alumni”>Dartmouth Alumni)</p>
<p>Like many top US universities, you can meet here and network with successful alumni who hold top positions in the city.</p>
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<p>LOL, the truth is that Gossip girl tend to name colleges which are favored by the elite/wealthy in america not the smart people. You will hear of course DArtmouth, Willams, Amherst, Barnard, Georgetown, Columbia, Smith and several of the Northeast rich people country club finishing school. I agree that when you want to show people with intellect, Harvard, MIT and Oxford always appear on American TV shows because this is what people in the US associate with intellect. </p>
<p>I hope you are a girl though. Guys who watch gossip girl without being forced to are :(.</p>
<p>Occasionally though, I watch gossip girl. With a girl or my little sister of course. Come to think of it, I might just watch it now. Not that I watch it all the time or anything like that.</p>
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<p>Got any stats or evidence to back this up, or is it just nationalistic prejudice?</p>
<p>hmm i always thought dartmouth (along with other schools like harvey mudd) was pretty famous worldwide. sure it ain’t no stanford or harvard, but saying its unknown in the UK is a bit of a stretch, imo.</p>
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<p>Do you have any stats or evidence to back this up? Likely not lol. And a thousand other statements you make on CC likely. Most statements we make are from our experiences. You even used the word “virtually”. Apparently you have surveyed the whole of the UK. Please post this survey for us to examine.</p>
<p>Asking for stats or evidence is usually just a short cut way for the opposition to refute an argument. Of course there are no stats on this, but its even simple common sense that HR at a US company in the UK would know about Dartmouth. I have seen students from unknown schools like Williams/Vassar/Washington and lee getting jobs in investment banks the UK. I have friends who go to several LACs so I get access to their career list so i can see where people are going after graduation. I can confidently say attending an obscure but top LAC would not disadvantage you when you move back home contrary to what people claim. </p>
<p>Regardless, when I went to college, I saw tons of students (especially EU citizens) at
American Universities get jobs in UK. Also when i talked to several IB/Consultancy or my friends did this was their specific policy especially because of the difficulty in getting work visas and has been for a long time. Please go and talk to HR at several companies lol. Please do a quick search on linkedin.com and you would find tons of Dartmouth students working in the UK. </p>
<p>Whats happening to basic research skills nowadays. They are becoming obsolete on CC :(.</p>
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<p>I was just about to say that the only time I’ve ever heard the name ‘Dartmouth’ was on that TV show. I had never heard of it before, and I haven’t heard it mentioned since.</p>
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<p>That’s not true. It is true that a very select few grad employers may add some weight to an applicant if they attended a very famous college (of which Dartmouth isn’t anyway), but most don’t care. And if you’re applying for a postgrad degree in the UK nobody would care at all where you studied beforehand.</p>
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<p>No, it really isn’t. Simply look on TSR and search ‘Dartmouth’ and compare the hits you get to HYS, Oxbridge, LSE, UCL etc… you will see it hardly registers in the minds of British students.</p>
<p>Dionysus, you missed my point. What I asked for stats for was her claim that there were proportionately more US companies in the UK than vice versa. The reason I asked for stats on that is that it seemed to be a pointless jab on her part, and irrelevant.</p>
<p>Actually, you are wrong about postgrad degree recruitment not caring about where you studied beforehand. It doesn’t determine everything, but it will determine how much weight they give your letters of reference and whatnot. (Someone who is in class top 5 and has letters from Princeton saying ‘best student in 5 years’ will get taken more seriously purely on that basis than someone from a directional college).</p>
<p>About getting a job… it is unclear. If you are working for a large company with an American presence, it will not disadvantage you. But if you want to work for a purely British company, it might hurt you. This goes the other way too – people who went to Imperial, which is virtually unknown in America, can struggle to get jobs there.</p>
<p>I would also have to say it’s not true that UK employers don’t care where you went to school. I lived and worked as a consultant in London for several years. It’s the most class based culture I’ve ever lived in. What schools you attended, including high school, very much matter to employers.</p>
<p>Just a note–Dartmouth is not a little-known LAC. It’s a member of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Sigh. But it is little-known in the UK. That’s the point.</p>
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<p>Not knowing the name of a school does not mean much. And it has no effect on ones job prospects as long as its a good school. </p>
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<p>Schools care a lot. In the US a lot a lot a lot. In the UK maybe not much because there are not that many differences in their schools.</p>
<p>I have talked to over 50 professors at Cambridge, Yale, Princeton, Columbia and a host of schools on this particular issue and they place a lot of importance on the school you went to- not on the “fame” of your school but the perceived rigor of the school. People at Oxbridge “think” that Dartmouth is rigorous. If you disagree please go and have a sit with some of these professors and academia and stop basing your opinion on the internet on public opinion.</p>
<p>As for grauate employers most Dartmouth graduates would not be applying to such lowly companies except they effed up. Those 3 year rotations in graduate trainee schemes in teh UK are not a real job lol. Then you end up as a manager or crap like that. Dartmouth grads would be aiming for IB/PE/VC and MC firms.</p>
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<p>That is not evidence of any kind. Search for Ohio state and Dartmouth on Google and see how many hits come up lol. </p>
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<p>No they would only struggle if they are trying to get campus type recruitment jobs. If they have American citizenship, they would easily get a job. Companies are not thta ignorant especially multinationals.</p>
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<p>You have been to the US right? And you live in the UK. And you cannot tell that there is a huge presence of american companies in the UK compared to the US? For real?</p>
<p>Of course I missed your point keepityourself, I wasn’t replying to what you said.</p>
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<p>No I’m not wrong. Letters of reference are of course important, and it will obviously help if the university/department you’re applying to study at knows of your referee and their work, but university ‘prestige’ accounts for nothing in academic circles. Indeed many students from small (and supposedly prestigious) LACs could be viewed as having a disadvantage in having studied at an undergraduate orientated college where mush less emphasis is placed upon departmental research. And so, the foreign school to which the applicant is applying would be much less likely to know of the applicants referee.</p>
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<p>It is only the top city Law firms that do care and discriminate against non-elite university graduates, this is a rarity however. Unless you worked in London in the 50s I can’t understand why you would say high schools matter to employers, they absolutely do not. In what sense are we a class based culture? It could be argued that class in modern America plays a more important role in society than in Britain today. I grew up in a fairly impoverished area and attended a rubbish comprehensive school, yet I have never experienced any negativity or animosity towards me for my humble origins.</p>
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<p>We are discussing Dartmouth’s prestige in Britain are we not, so why is its prevalence (or lack of) in Britain’s largest student forum not evidence to its obscurity?</p>
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<p>LACs are not at any disadvatage. Undergraduates at LACs are given tons of opportunity to engage in research. There is no less emphasis on departmental reserach just that most of the independent reserach is performed by undergraduates and a research technician. Foir example Bowdoin College is ranked as one of the top 300 reserach intensive social science departments in the world. For a school with no graduates program this is impressive. Hence, Undergraduates at LAC are more at an advantage that undergrads in reserach-intensive universities. </p>
<p>This is common knowledge in academia. LACs like Williams are considered peers of the ivies in academia. Thats why some obscure LACs like Oberlin have more science/social science nobel laureates who did their undergrad there than either UCL, Imperial or LSE lol.</p>
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<p>But Students opinion=Prestige is it? I shudder to think that 18 year olds are the standard for prestige</p>
<p>Please don’t misconstrue what I say. I am not commenting on whether or not LAC undergraduates engage in research. I am merely suggesting that students at LACs do appear to be at a disadvantage when applying to foreign graduate schools. The fact that they are so small and undergrad focused inevitably means their faculty will be far less familiar to big research intensive universities abroad. </p>
<p>For example, in my area of study the American universities my department has contacts with and often receives grad students from are Washington and Wisconsin. This is in spite of LACs, and even Harvard offering programs in the same area of study. Their departments are just too small to partake in graduate research, and so do not register with ours.</p>
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<p>You underestimate the intellect and age of TSR users. In all the debates on global university rankins I have seen on there, I have never seen Dartmouth mentioned.</p>
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<p>From what I understand- based on my comment that the name of your school matters when applying to foreign graduate school- I was only talking about the tippy top schools (About 4-6 in europe since this is where Americans study) would focus on this. And the professors of these schools are not ignorant. They go to seminars, they have peers teaching worldwide, they engage in collaborative research. They read a lot. People with American degrees from LACs and Top US undergrads constitute the bulk of students at Oxford and LSE. Oxford loves LACs and knows about them considering its relationship with Williams. </p>
<p>Go on linkedin (thats the best I can give you)- type any top 20 school Liberal art school +Oxbridge/LSE, you would find a lot of alumni. As I said earlier they are biased towards people from top undergrads/Top LACs and know which are elite.</p>
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<p>The faculty issue is popular in US graduate school admission. Its non-existent in UK graduate school admissions. Recommendations dont play an important role- most people I know a couple of people who got into Imperial with only one of the two letters for graduate school. While in US schools, your Recommendations are the likely the most important thing. Its two different things to do well in school like the large majority of people, and to be recommended as “one of the best minds ever seen in economics” by Stiglitz.</p>
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<p>Global university rankings have nothing to do with undergraduate programs. Anyone who says otherwise is either just plain thick or trying to play devils advocate. In European Universities where contact hours between professors are less and undergraduates are not actively encouraged to do research- it is even of less importance. These rankings are significantly flawed, a school could have an employee rating of 91 and then drop to 75 the following year based on just some changes in methodology.</p>
<p>Moreover, some schools like Iowa state are ranked higher than a lot of top US schools, but no one really takes this seriously. It is true though that ISU is a decent graduate school.</p>
<p>Also its TSR- just like CC, its going to be populated with people who strongly believe that the college they go to, and the country it is located in is superior to everyone. You would see ridiculous comments comparing Nottingham, Bristol and Warwick to Duke, Johns Hopkins and Northwestern with 0 reason why this is the case even though these school outstrip them.</p>
<p>@OP,
If you get financial aid at Dartmouth- difficult without a 2250-2300+, you should pack you bags for new hampshire as fast as you can. Browse through this thread- there are tons of people like you:</p>
<p>[US</a> University Alumni - UK - US University Alumni In London](<a href=“http://usalumniuk.ning.com/]US”>http://usalumniuk.ning.com/)</p>
<p>Funny Dartmouth is not known: [Dartmouth</a> Professor Lecture at the Oxford-Cambridge University Club - US University Alumni - UK](<a href=“http://usalumniuk.ning.com/events/dartmouth-professor-lecture-at]Dartmouth”>http://usalumniuk.ning.com/events/dartmouth-professor-lecture-at)</p>
<p>You guys should take a trip to Oxford or Cambridge and talk with the professors there not the students. Dartmouth is considered a peer by professors in this school. No one cares about snotty kids from TSR.</p>
<p>That may be true but that wasn’t my point, as I think you know. I wasn’t talking about actual rankings, THES or any other. I was referring to discussions whereby students give their own personal rankings. Even in threads dedicated to the discussion of prestigious American universities, Dartmouth is never mentioned.</p>
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<p>It doesn’t mater what schools you’re talking about, in Britain (can’t speak for Europe), it is not a factor.</p>
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<p>You think Oxford have more students with American degrees than British? I don’t suppose you have any proof… oh wait you don’t believe in statistical evidence, do you?</p>
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<p>Faculty recommendations are a huge deal in postgrad applications in Britain. I thought you were a postgrad student… surely you should know this.</p>
<p>Are you presenting the fact that a Dartmouth professor is giving a talk at a London gentlemen’s club as proof of Dartmouth’s standing in the minds of British people? I really think you’re tolling, I can’t believe I spend so much time replying to you.</p>