<p>My daughter has a Sat score of 2250. Five AP exams with a 5 score. National Merit semifinalist, National Hispanic Scholar,President National Honor Society, Soccer and track and field MVP, UN club Secretary, Student council Vice president and a 3.9 GPA taking all honors or AP classes. What are her chances doing early to Yale?</p>
<p>The same as most students applying to Yale. Including my son. It will be a lottery pick for both of them. Good luck to your daughter.</p>
<p>Good luck to your son also. Has he taken subject tests ?</p>
<p>Yes, math2 and bio. He has very similar stats, ec’s and scores to your daughter. He couldn’t do any more to better his chances and I still have doubts.</p>
<p>“He couldn’t do any more to better his chances and I still have doubts.”</p>
<p>That echoes what my son’s GC said to us. She said that usually there is something that could have been done and if there’s time, you point it out to the kid, but in a case where there are no “coulda, woulda, shouldas,” all you can do is submit, hope, and wait. </p>
<p>Good luck to both of your kids. </p>
<p>Good luck to both of your children!! Bads1978, her stats are good and fit right into the norm of the vast majority of applicants. But there will be 30,000+ other kids with basically the same numbers, EC’s etc. Her essay, GC recommendation and teacher recommendations will go a long way in making her stand out. There are many discussions on here regarding numbers, but Yale uses much more than numbers to pick their incoming class.</p>
<p>I agree with Tperry, essays and recommendations make the child stand out. Every child applying to Yale has the numbers, titles, ranks, class positions, etc. The admissions officers are going to look at the applicants that shine, they want diversity, talent, passion, and smarts. Her essays should reflect that. They want a well rounded community of college students so they are looking for the well rounded applicant. Best of luck! </p>
<p>I have always wondered whether the colleges that say they are looking for a “well-rounded” student body are looking for each student to be well-rounded or “well-lopsided”. Are they looking for the applicant who is pretty good at music, plus pretty good at sports, plus pretty good at debate, or are they looking for the violin virtuoso, or the all-star athlete, or the next William Jennings Bryan.</p>
<p>Posed another way, are they looking at “well-rounded” from the micro level (each student) or from the macro level…where it becomes the job of the Admissions Office to create a well-rounded class from a lot super-achievers in diverse areas?</p>
<p>I have no inside information on what goes on in Admissions Committee meetings, but I would tend to guess the situation is closer to the macro process.</p>
<p>The paradigm has shifted from a decade or more ago and you are correct that it is closer to the macro process. It is not all one way, however, and they still are attracted to super well-rounded candidates. Unfortunately, most kids still have the well-rounded model in mind and feel that they have to play sports, do tons of community service and join scores of clubs, etc. Gibby’s and my daughter did almost zero community service and they are both at Harvard. I don’t know about his son who is at Yale.</p>
<p>I might add that my daughter is hugely involved in community service now at college. I don’t want to discourage HS kids from getting involved with helping others - quite the contrary. They should do it for themselves and all the personal satisfaction it brings and not for what they think others might think.</p>
<p>They want a “well rounded class” - not every student needs to be “well rounded”. There is a difference. What we mean is that the whole class of 1,300 cannot be all straight A valedictorians, recruited athletes or math wizs. Every kid will have the smarts and usually one or two other special talents or quality that makes them stand out. They need kids that are going to play intramural sports, take Art History, march in the crazy band, find the cure for cancer, design the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, become an Oscar winning actor…All of these kids will have had the “numbers” to get in, but needed that “extra” something that made them fit into the class.</p>
<p>I agree. Wise words. I feel by doing early to Yale she is missing good merit scholarships from other great schools tha</p>
<p>Five years ago. my daughter applied to Yale SCEA with 8 AP’s (all 5’s), 6 SAT Subject Tests (all 750+), a 34 ACT, a 2280 SAT, an unweighted GPA of 97.8 (she was Salutatorian of her class), stellar teacher recommendations, interesting EC’s and thought provoking essays. She was deferred in the early round and then rejected RD. She applied with the exact same application, essays and teacher recommendations to Princeton (waitlisted) and Harvard (accepted). </p>
<p>Does it make sense? Absolutely not! But, the college applications process is subjective. What one selective college thinks is the “right stuff” another thinks is not up to par, as compared to the rest of the applicant pool. That’s why it’s impossible to tell just from a student’s stats what their chances are, because Admissions does build a class. And these days they seem to be building a well-rounded class made up of lop-sided students, which is why student’s need to cast a wide net, as who knows where they might “fit in” to the mosaic that an Admissions Office creates.</p>
<p>Best of luck to your daughter.</p>
<p>“Waiting is the hardest part!”
– Tom Petty and the Hearbreakers</p>
<p>It is heartbreaking.</p>
<p>Since there are maybe 30,000 secondary schools in the US alone, generating in excess of 50,000 valedictorians and co-valedictorians, you could skim off only the top 20% to fill the entire entering classes of HSYPMC and have some left over for Berkeley.</p>
<p>My daughter was deferred from Yale but accepted at Michigan as an out of state student. Still hoping for Yale1 What about your son?</p>
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<p>I’d bet that if Yale and its peer institutions put the names of all the high stat applicants in a hat, and picked the acceptances out of that hat, they’d have just as reasonable a class as the ones they build with deliberation and diligence. </p>
<p>@latichever - maybe, but that would be so much less fun.</p>