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Sure. But “good students” don’t always roam these boards. And what is a good student? How would you feel if your alma mater is bashed? Sure HYPSM is better, but that doesn’t mean there are other good schools? They don’t need to be bashed.</p>
<p>TheSaiy, but this isn’t what you were saying, was it?</p>
<p>why do you continue to lie?</p>
<p>What you spefically said was that Duke’s student body was as good as MIT’s student body, which in several circles, by the way, is considered the best student body of any college in the country.</p>
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<p>TheSaiy, is there something you don’t understand that it is the Dookies that are mostly the ones doing the bashing of other schools?</p>
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According to you, “good students” are the ones who will do well at any school. I don’t have to define terms that you choose to bring into the discussion - that’s your job.</p>
<p>The point here is not that all schools are equal but rather that the tangible benefits from attending a superior institution may be negligible for most undergrads. Is MIT a better engineering school than the University of Oklahoma? Certainly. Is a student interested in entering the petroleum industry via an entry-level engineering position going to experience tangible benefits from attending MIT? Perhaps not.</p>
<p>To rjkofnovi: My self esteem is of no concern in this discussion seeing that I went to both MIT (which in your opinion is better than UMich) and Duke. I’m in concern for other students who’ll look at these threads. For some, yes, UMich may be a better match than MIT and Duke a better match than UMich. </p>
<p>To JohnAdams12: We’re getting somewhere. College is college. You’ll get a fine education at Harvard and at UCSB.
But since this is CC, if you still want to play college vs college, I understand. I can do that too. In that case, I do contend that HYPSM is better than Duke. No argument. Please acknowledge that. But this isn’t the most important aspect of college selection here. Its MORE important to know what fits the applicant. Isn’t that the point of CC?</p>
<p>TheSaiy, again but that is not what you were saying earlier, was it?</p>
<p>you were specifically saying that Duke was equal to MIT</p>
<p>and, no one, and I mean NO ONE, has ever stated that Duke is not a good school - it is, in fact, a great school.</p>
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Then please don’t associate me with these Dookie bashers. My whole point is that for some students, Duke may be a better fit than MIT or Harvard. Rather than telling him to go to an HYPSM, he should pick a school he better fits in. Since he is successful, he should be able to come up anywhere he goes. He shouldn’t feel obliged to pick an HYPSM university just because.</p>
<p>very surprised that Lesdia has not appeared yet…</p>
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<p>“Duke is better academically than Stanford and Princeton because they won the Basketball NCAA’s last year” posts.</p>
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<p>“Duke is better than MIT because it provides a great experience by watching the Duke basketball team play. So what if MIT has the not-too-well-known Cectics in their backyard to watch play.”</p>
<p>TheSaiy, again, you see, NO ONE disagrees with you here</p>
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<p>^Alright, correct if I’m wrong, but the vibe I felt from you was that Duke is a terrible university compared to Stanford and MIT. At least in that “NRC Thread” when you were attacking eatsalot…</p>
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Alright, point taken :).</p>
<p>On a completely random note: I truly believe in these rankings/PRESTIGE if you want to know the pecking order I consider among universities. Again, I repeat, I DO NOT consider (if we’re playing college vs college) Duke to be a better university than HYPSM. </p>
<p>Kudos to the_prestige
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/2885267-post115.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/2885267-post115.html</a></p>
<p>Also the PayScale rankings :p.</p>
<p>TheSaiy, again, most people think that Duke is a great university. However it is not there yet at the level of HYPSM.</p>
<p>on the PayScale thingy, be careful, it does not take into account students that have gone to graduate schools, including Business, Law and Med School.</p>
<p>^I’m VERY glad we’ve come to an agreement. Also, whenever you see a “Dookie basher” doing his bashing please don’t hesitate to pm me. I want to know who they are and what they say so I can clear the nonsense they spout.</p>
<p>“^Alright, correct if I’m wrong, but the vibe I felt from you was that Duke is a terrible university compared to Stanford and MIT. At least in that “NRC Thread” when you were attacking eatsalot…”</p>
<p>Does Duke compare all that well to Berkeley and Michigan in that “NRC Thread?”</p>
<p>rjkofnovi: I’m really confused as to why you insist on bringing Berkeley in this discussion. Have you not understood what I’ve been saying in the past few pages?
As far as I know my discussion with JohnAdams is done here and I’m glad it ended positively.
If you want my personal opinion on the pecking order of universities ** at the undergraduate level ** I already gave you my list:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...7-post115.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/...7-post115.html</a></p>
<p>Whatever insecurities you may have with Berkeley, please don’t bring them to me. I’m the last person you want to ask about Berkeley, as a fellow Norcaler, I hate that place</p>
<p>Wow I can’t believe JohnAdams still hasn’t been banned from CC. What an antagonistic, condescending, rude man.</p>
<p>So, how about them public ivies?</p>
<p>Let me see if I understand. This is a thread about “public ivies.” Berkeley and Michigan shouldn’t be discussed, but it’s ok to talk about private schools. OK, gotcha.</p>
<p>JohnAdams, that is a pretty low blow to be completely honest. I don’t think his admittance record is relevant at all to the discussion. There are other more reasonable retorts to a character attack. You fell right into the trap he set up by neither disproving him nor helping your own case.</p>
<p>@314159 & JohnAdams: Alright…chill out everyone. While JohnAdams * can be very poignant * he does seem to have good points and I’m very impressed with his argumentative skills unlike his peers * when he’s not sidetracked by hate*. I do care what JohnAdams has to say, and I certainly discourage anyone (314159) to get in his bad side.</p>
<p>Chill out people. @JohnAdams: You know 314159’s status is indeed irrelevant to this discussion. And I’m sure you also know that most Duke students * do not* have statuses like that at all. Listen to Tinyfoyl.</p>
<p>@314159: I suggest PMing JohnAdams if you want to talk to him. Don’t do it in public here in this thread about Public Ivies…we’ve been completely sidetracked :mad:</p>