<p>I would add -- </p>
<p>New York --
Vassar
Hamilton
Barnard</p>
<p>Michigan --
Kalamazoo
MSU - James Madison/Lyle Briggs Colleges</p>
<p>Pennsylvania --
Bucknell
Haverford
Lehigh
Carnegie Mellon
Lafayette
Bryn Mawr</p>
<p>Ohio --
Case Western</p>
<p>MN's best and unknown college is Carleton. The other player is Macalester. The UofMN is best known instate but doesn't have the academics to match Carleton and Mac.</p>
<p>Mass.-Harvard,MIT,Williams,Amherst,Wellesley,Tufts,Brandeis,Holy Cross,Smith. Maine-Bowdoin,Colby,Bates.</p>
<p>Michigan</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Michigan</li>
<li>Kalamazoo College</li>
<li>Michigan State</li>
<li>Hillsdale College</li>
<li>Grand Valley State</li>
</ol>
<p>Michigan for undergraduate studies</p>
<ol>
<li>Kalamazoo College</li>
<li>Michigan State (Honors/Lyman Briggs/James Madison/Humanities and Art Residential College)</li>
<li>University of Michigan</li>
<li>Hope College</li>
<li>Michigan Tech</li>
</ol>
<p>Michigan:</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Michigan (not even close)</li>
<li>Calvin College</li>
<li>Michigan State University</li>
<li>Kalamazoo College</li>
<li>Grand Valley State University</li>
</ol>
<p>Indiana:</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Notre Dame</li>
<li>Indiana University—Bloomington </li>
<li>Purdue Univ.—West Lafayette</li>
<li>Valparaiso University</li>
<li>Butler University</li>
</ol>
<p>GoNavyXC--</p>
<p>Arizona- NAU? Seriously. NAU is the weakest out of UA/ASU/NAU. Personally I'd say UA, but depending on who you talk to its between ASU and UA.</p>
<p>
[quote]
California:
Undergrad:
Stanford
Caltech
Harvey Mudd
Pomona
Berkeley
Claremont-Mckenna
UCLA</p>
<p>Overall:
Stanford
Berkeley
Caltech
UCLA
UCSD</p>
<p>
[/quote]
</p>
<p>I agree with this, but I would put Caltech above Berkeley for overall too.</p>
<p>I would put Purdue above Indiana</p>
<p>For Maine, i would change the rank to:
Bowdoin, Bates, Colby. Aside from $$$ Colby ranks below Bates in academics and selectivity. The saying is: "you go to Bowdoin for the reputation, Bates for the education and Colby for the parties." Keep in mind that I am very biased here...</p>
<p>What about University of Phoenix for Arizona? ;-)</p>
<p>I would say UA > ASU.</p>
<p>In regards to atomicfusion putting Caltech above Berkeley, Berkeley is on par with Caltech in its engineering programs plus it has very good humanities programs that Caltech doesnt. Therefore Berkeley > Caltech, IMHO.</p>
<p>Oops, just realized I forgot one for Colorado - the Air Force Academy - which is pretty embarassing, being as I am an AF brat. Clearly it would rank #1 in the state, but it is nigh impossible to compare the military academies to civilian universities.</p>
<p>LesserPerfesser - what's your opinion about the University of Denver?</p>
<p>Oregon</p>
<p>Reed
Willamette
Lewis & Clark
UofO
OSU
University of Portland
George Fox
OIT</p>
<p>Michigan
Michigan State (gap not as great as some say)
Kalamazoo College
Kettering
Michigan Tech
Albion
GVSU-Albion-Hope
Western
Detroit-Mercy</p>
<p>Don't forget DC! (Even though it is not a state)</p>
<p>Georgetown
George Washington
American
Catholic/Howard
UDC</p>
<p>I would include Hillsdale in Michigan</p>
<p>The Princeton Review ranks Hillsdale among the “Best 366 Colleges” in the country, including Hillsdale in the Top 20 lists for “Professors Get High Marks” and “Professors Make Themselves Accessible.” Hillsdale has also been named one of “America’s Best Value Colleges” by The Princeton Review.</p>
<p>"uchris: I don't know why you find my ranking so funny. Berkeley only gets its high ranking because of its graduate programs. If you look at SAT scores of admitted students, job placement, class size and any other number of important criteria for undergraduate education, USC exceeds Berkeley."</p>
<p>ricegal: i hope you are joking. you might want to be sure before stating that the average sat for students is higher at USC than at UC Berkeley, that their averages are computed by the same method. Superscoring and non superscoring SAT's are obviously not the same method (although it seems you believe they can be directly compared as equivalents). And even with USC superscoring, UC Berkeley's SAT's are very similar. Without USC superscoring, I imagine UC Berkeley's SAT's would be somewhat higher, although i cannot prove this statement. Also, UC Berkeley has a higher GPA average and much higher percentage of students coming from the top ten percent of incoming class. I believe of USC's incoming freshman class, approx 84% come from the top ten percent of their high school class. 99% of UC Berkeley's incoming freshman class comes from the top ten percent of their high school class. UC Berkeley has a higher undergrad selectivity rating by US News, lower acceptance rate, etc. If you are trying to argue USC undergrad has better job placement than UC Berkeley undergrad, i find that hard to believe. Clearly the UC Berkeley name carries better than the USC name. While much of that may be because of UC Berkeley's grad programs, i hardly believe USC places better than UC Berkeley into the job market. Furthermore, it would depend of the areas of the job market. Im sure each have their strengths. But clearly most people would consider UC Berkeley significantly more prestigious than USC. Clearly what i have stated are somewhat important to undergrad education. Especially the stronger selectivity rating of UC Berkeley undergrad, meaning a stronger freshman class with better students at UC Berkeley than at USC. And i havent even mentioned the tuition difference, which without fanancial aid can be as much 30 thousand dollars a year. So lets go over this again, UC Berkeley undergrad has a stronger class, more pretigious name, less tuition for most students etc. USC has smaller classes. You can tell me what is more important to you. But to me, their is a clear choice.</p>
<p>ricegal: Stating that "any other number of important criteria for undergraduate education, USC exceeds UC Berkeley" is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. The only clear argument you have made for USC is the undergrad class size. Almost every other factor i can think of and listed above favors UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>ucchris, ricegal's wrong. Berkeley far exceeds USC in almost every respect.</p>