<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</p>
<p>Caltech, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berkeley, Cornell, Johns Hopkins </p>
<p>Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Michigan, Rice, WUSTL, Northwestern</p>
<p>Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, UCLA, Georgetown, Wisconsin</p>
<p>Emory, NYU, UVA, UNC, USC, Notre Dame, UIUC, Georgia Tech</p>
<p>Older than 16: Yes
Male</p>
<p>V Fixed, rjk</p>
<p>I deleted my post to agree with UCBChemEGrad. His is the best one I’ve seen, except he forgot to put Northwestern in tier 3.</p>
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<p>So it’s $95 million over the next 5 years, unlike the 90 I said. Faunce is still being remodeled and the Creative Arts Center will also break ground this summer, unlike you said. The pool has already raised 50% of the money it needs and we’re simply waiting for donors to come in. Tuition is never used for capital projects, rather, fund raising is and right now the difference in how we build is what percentage we require to fund raise before starting construction (we used to go to a certain market and fund the rest on loans which is extremely common in academia, hence all the borrowing PTon has to do, now we wait to have funds in hands from donors to a much higher percentage before starting). [The</a> Brown Daily Herald - Faunce overhaul headlines summer construction](<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/faunce-overhaul-headlines-summer-construction-1.1730121]The”>http://www.browndailyherald.com/faunce-overhaul-headlines-summer-construction-1.1730121)</p>
<p>We haven’t been in denial-- my friends serve on the University Resources Committee which sets the budget and nothing you just posted is news or was unknown since about November. None of that refutes what I said which is that the budget will remain, for all intents and purposes, flat with the absolute amount of spending we’ve been doing now as opposed to increasing quite a bit which was the plan.</p>
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<p>For undergraduate education, I think this list has got it (and I’m glad it did not include Caltech, MIT, or Dartmouth which I think are hard to compare to the institutions on this list. I’d be inclined to remove Brown, too, but it’s slightly more traditional looking).</p>
<p>I may bump either Cal or Cornell up a group, and bump WUSTL down one, but that’s splitting hairs. If I had to include MIT, Caltech, and DMouth, I’d put MIT in tier 1, with both Caltech and DMouth in tier 2.</p>
<p>Baelor:</p>
<p>Upon scoring the universities on your list, I found there were two UNCs. Could you look into that?</p>
<p>Folks:</p>
<p>Thanks for your participation. I have received 8 polls so far. All of them are excellent lists of top25. Descriptive statements from RML, Phead128, rjkofnovi, and modestmelody are officially counted.</p>
<p>This survey started from 5-11-09 at about 2 am. We are still welcome for submission. The polls will remain open for another two days. I will have my first update late tonight. If you submit/post your top 25 list by 8pm tonight, your input will be included in the update this time. Before you make your list of top25 universities, please see post number 112 for the rules. To avoid interfering with your independent thinking, I will not discuss the results with you until the close of this survey. </p>
<p>My update will include the following:</p>
<p>A 5-tiered ranking of top25 universities+ honorable mentioned, if any</p>
<p>A numerical ranking of top25 universities generated by statistical averaging process (I am not a big fan of this though)</p>
<p>Raw scores</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</p>
<p>Caltech, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berkeley, Cornell, Johns Hopkins</p>
<p>Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Michigan, Rice, WUSTL, Northwestern</p>
<p>Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, UCLA, Georgetown, Wisconsin</p>
<p>Emory, NYU, UVA, UNC, USC, Notre Dame, UIUC, Georgia Tech</p>
<p>copied for ucbchemegrad</p>
<p>T-Ranking stands for tiered ranking. It’s a 6-tiered ranking: 5 tiers plus the 6th tier honorable mentioned. S-Ranking is a numerical ranking of top25 universities generated by statistical averaging process (I am not a big fan of this though). Statistics discerns the differences between polls which may be a minor thing we didn’t pay attention to.</p>
<p>T-Rankings S-Rankings Name Scores
1 1 Harvard 5.00
1 1 Yale 5.00
1 1 Princeton 5.00
1 1 Stanford 5.00
1 1 MIT 5.00
2 6 Caltech 4.00
2 6 Columbia 4.00
2 8 Duke 3.75
2 8 Dartmouth 3.75
2 10 Penn 3.63
2 10 Cornell 3.63
2 12 Chicago 3.50
2 12 Brown 3.50
3 14 Berkeley 3.38
3 15 Johns Hopkins 3.25
3 16 Northwestern 3.00
3 17 Michigan 2.75
3 18 WUSTL 2.63
3 19 Rice 2.50
4 20 Vanderbilt 2.00
4 20 UVA 2.00
4 22 Georgetown 1.88
4 23 Emory 1.75
4 24 UCLA 1.50
5 25 Carnegie Mellon 1.25
5 26 NYU 1.00
5 26 UNC 1.00
5 28 USC 0.75
5 28 Notre Dame 0.75
5 30 Wisconsin 0.50
6 31 UIUC 0.25
6 32 Georgia Tech 0.25</p>
<p>I like that ranking, except any ranking that puts UVA ahead of UNC is bogus. Carolina outperforms UVA in most fields.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062119419-post27.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062119419-post27.html</a></p>
<p>Carolina is also older and, in my opinion, a lot more fun. :)</p>
<p>In the real world modeling business, data availability is always the key issue for the model development. A reliable model needs appropriate data support. My biggest challenge right now is to get more seniors involved in this mini-study or research. </p>
<p>Unlike NRC which collected their survey data from colleges, we collect our survey from this thread. Regardless of the hot-disputing natures in college ranking, no one can argue against defensible data. Brief discussions of how to collect defensible data and how to obtain/develop a credible model of college ranking from a modelers viewpoint can be found on post #112 and post #75, my reply to tk21769. The ownership of the data belongs to cc. </p>
<p>I have no pre-set agenda in favor of or against any universities even though I did receive a PhD from one of these top25 and thus I will excuse/remove myself from the polls. As a researcher/engineer/modeler, I would always love to share my ideas/viewpoints/findings/results with others and I often do so via professional conferences and seminars. This time I was simply struck by the idea of using modeling concept for college ranking application and would like to see such idea implemented in a clear-and-open-and-transparent way. </p>
<p>Seniors, if the aforementioned approach interests you, please continue your supports by posting your new top25 and/or encouraging your friends to post theirs in a 5-tiered format (see post#112 for details).</p>
<p>Very well. I’ll use the post #112 approach, although it really is like trying to nitpick differences between Austen and Eliot.</p>
<p>Tier 1
California Institute of Technology
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Stanford University
Yale University</p>
<p>Tier 2
Columbia University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>Tier 3A
Brown University
Cornell University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University</p>
<p>Tier 3B
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Los Angeles
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Virginia</p>
<p>Tier 4
Emory University
Georgetown University
Rice University
Vanderbilt University
Washington University in St. Louis</p>
<p>Older than 16: Yes (MA student)
Male</p>
<p>You know, just two years ago in 2006, UChicago was ranked #16 and many students wrote it off as a geek’s paradise… Ever since it jumped to #9th place in 2007 has ppl taken it more seriously and have put it up on a pedestal :D</p>
<p>I like IBClass06’s list.</p>
<p>Clarification: UNC is in higher tier.</p>
<p>A 5-tiered format was used for realistic reasons because it should be easier to tell if a given university belongs to a certain tier rather than guess its exact rankings. Between 25 and 40 best universities should be included in case of tie situations. Survey results indicated thirty-two universities were included in this mini-survey from seniors (see Table 1). </p>
<p>Again, T-Ranking stands for tiered ranking. It’s a 6-tiered ranking: 5 tiers plus the 6th tier honorable mention. S-Ranking is a numerical ranking of top25 universities generated by statistical averaging process (I am not a big fan of this though). Statistics discerns the differences between polls which may be a minor thing we didn’t pay attention to. Usually the larger or more diversified the sample size (participants of polls) is and the bigger differences the results would be. </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see how is the derived ranking compared with others e.g., USNews08 and NRC95A? The former is a good reference for undergraduate institutions. The latter, a comprehensive summary/analysis of NRC95 database by Dr. H. J. Newman of TexasA&M, is an excellent reference for graduate institutions. DUSNews and DNRC95 showed the distributions of the variations (differences) of model predicted ranking versus USNews08 and NRC95A among the universities (I wish I could include my chart here but I trust you can plot them easily). The derived ranking has a good balance from both undergraduate (USNews) and graduate (NRC95A) strengths of the institutions, which were reflected and/or highlighted by high positive or negative numbers by their respective influences from DUSNews (Berkeley, Michigan, and Notre Dame) and DNRC95 (Dartmouth, Berkeley, UCLA, Wisconsin, and UIUC). </p>
<p>For visual examinations of how each institution was fared, Table 2 compares the relative rankings for the universities among S-Rankings,USNews08, NRC95A, and composite ranking between USNews08 and NRC95A (ComUSNewsNRC). You can follow the lead to find out which institutions are strong in undergraduate, graduate, and/or both categories. </p>
<p>Table 1
T-Rankings S-Rankings Name Scores USNews08 NRC95A DUSNews DNRC95
1 1 Harvard 5.00 1 3 0 -2
1 1 Yale 5.00 3 8 -2 -7
1 1 Princeton 5.00 2 4 -1 -3
1 1 Stanford 5.00 4 6 -3 -5
1 1 MIT 5.00 4 1 -3 0
2 6 Caltech 4.14 6 5 0 1
2 7 Columbia 4.00 8 11 -1 -3
2 8 Duke 3.86 8 20 0 -9
2 8 Dartmouth 3.86 11 49 -3 -20
2 10 Penn 3.71 6 14 4 -3
2 11 Chicago 3.57 8 7 3 4
3 12 Cornell 3.43 14 9 -2 3
3 12 Brown 3.43 16 25 -4 -9
3 14 Berkeley 3.29 21 2 -7 12
3 15 Johns Hopkins 3.14 15 20 0 -2
3 16 Northwestern 3.00 12 19 4 0
3 17 Michigan 2.71 26 12 -9 6
3 18 WUSTL 2.57 12 34 6 -6
4 19 Rice 2.43 17 41 2 -7
4 20 UVA 2.14 23 28 -3 -3
4 21 Vanderbilt 2.00 18 52 3 -9
4 22 Georgetown 1.86 23 - -1 -9
4 22 Emory 1.86 18 37 4 -3
4 24 UCLA 1.71 25 13 -1 12
4 25 UNC 1.57 30 24 -3 5
5 26 Carnegie Mellon 1.00 22 22 4 7
5 27 NYU 0.86 33 27 -2 5
5 28 Notre Dame 0.57 18 - 10 -3
6 29 USC 0.43 27 46 2 2
6 30 Wisconsin 0.29 35 15 0 16
6 31 UIUC 0.14 40 17 -1 16
6 31 Georgia Tech 0.14 35 50 1 2
Neterr -3 -12
Abserr 89 194</p>
<pre><code> Table 2
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<p>Rankings S-Ranking USNews08 NRC95(mod) CompUSNewsNRC
1 Harvard Harvard MIT Harvard
1 Yale Princeton Berkeley MIT
1 Princeton Yale Harvard Princeton
1 Stanford Stanford Princeton Stanford
1 MIT MIT Caltech Yale
6 Caltech Caltech Stanford Caltech
7 Columbia Penn Chicago Chicago
8 Duke Columbia Yale Columbia
8 Dartmouth Duke Cornell Penn
10 Penn Chicago Columbia Cornell
11 Chicago Dartmouth Michigan Berkeley
12 Cornell Northwestern UCLA Duke
12 Brown WUSTL Penn Northwestern
14 Berkeley Cornell Wisconsin Johns Hopkins
15 Johns Hopkins Johns Hopkins UIUC(17) Michigan
16 Northwestern Brown Northwestern(19) UCLA
17 Michigan Rice Duke(20) Brown
18 WUSTL Vanderbilt Johns Hopkins(20) Carnegie Mellon
19 Rice Emory Carnegie Mellon(22) WUSTL
20 UVA Notre Dame UNC(24) Wisconsin
21 Vanderbilt Berkeley Brown(25) UVA
22 Georgetown Carnegie Mellon NYU(27) UNC
22 Emory UVA UVA(28) Emory
24 UCLA Georgetown WUSTL(34) UIUC
25 UNC UCLA Emory(37) Rice
26 Carnegie Mellon Michigan Rice(41) Dartmouth
27 NYU USC USC(46) NYU
28 Notre Dame UNC Dartmouth(49) Vanderbilt
29 USC NYU Georgia Tech(50) USC
30 Wisconsin Wisconsin Vanderbilt(52) Notre Dame
31 UIUC Georgia Tech Georgetown(>60) Georgetown
31 Georgia Tech UIUC Notre Dame(>60) Georgia Tech</p>
<p>Order T-Rankings S-Rankings S-Ranking CompUSNewsNRC
1 1 1 Harvard Harvard
2 1 1 Yale MIT
3 1 1 Princeton Princeton
4 1 1 Stanford Stanford
5 1 1 MIT Yale
6 2 6 Caltech Caltech
7 2 7 Columbia Chicago
8 2 8 Duke Columbia
9 2 8 Dartmouth Penn
10 2 10 Penn Cornell
11 2 11 Chicago Berkeley
12 3 12 Cornell Duke
13 3 12 Brown Northwestern
14 3 14 Berkeley Johns Hopkins
15 3 15 Johns Hopkins Michigan
16 3 16 Northwestern UCLA
17 3 17 Michigan Brown
18 3 18 WUSTL Carnegie Mellon
19 4 19 Rice WUSTL
20 4 20 UVA Wisconsin
21 4 21 Vanderbilt UVA
22 4 22 Georgetown UNC
23 4 22 Emory Emory
24 4 24 UCLA UIUC
25 4 25 UNC Rice
26 5 26 Carnegie Mellon Dartmouth
27 5 27 NYU NYU
28 5 28 Notre Dame Vanderbilt
29 6 29 USC USC
30 6 30 Wisconsin Notre Dame
31 6 31 UIUC Georgetown
32 6 31 Georgia Tech Georgia Tech</p>
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<p>I second that :)</p>
<p>Upon deriving the ranking from the survey data, I compared the calculated rankings (S-Ranking from my 2nd update) with other sources e.g. USNews08 and NRC95 to identify surprises. As a result, the derived ranking had a good balance from both undergraduate (USNews) and graduate (NRC95A) strengths of the institutions, which were reflected and/or highlighted by high positive or negative numbers by their respective influences from DUSNews (Berkeley, Michigan, and Notre Dame) and DNRC95 (Dartmouth, Berkeley, UCLA, Wisconsin, and UIUC). For model calibration or fine tuning, I re-evaluated both undergraduate and graduate strengths of those surprises against their respective tiers and moved them up or down based on their scores. The calibrated results were shown in the following table. Questions and/or comments are welcomed.</p>
<h2>Strength Institution Ranking</h2>
<p>2 Harvard 1
2 MIT 1
2 Princeton 1
3 Stanford 1
3 Yale 1</p>
<h2>6 Caltech 1</h2>
<p>8 Columbia 2
9 Chicago 2
10 Penn 2
10 Duke 2
12 Cornell 2
13 Berkeley 2</p>
<h2>14 Dartmouth 2</h2>
<p>15 Northwestern 3
15 Brown 3
16 Johns Hopkins 3
18 Michigan 3</p>
<h2>18 WUSTL 3</h2>
<p>20 Rice 4
21 UCLA 4
21 UVA 4
22 Emory 4
23 Vanderbilt 4
23 Carnegie Mellon 4
25 Georgetown 4</p>
<h2>25 UNC 4</h2>
<p>26 Wisconsin 5
26 NYU 5
26 Notre Dame 5
27 UIUC 5
28 USC 5
30 Georgia Tech 5</p>
<p>Interesting. Was expecting Rice to fall in group 3 whilst Brown in group 4 though.</p>
<p>I’m surprised that Dartmouth and Brown are in separate groups, and that Brown, with its significant NRC advantage did not edge out DMouth. My guess is this is because DMouth was left out by some posters completely and Brown was included, but often ranked low because this thread has been dominated by the “research powerhouse only” sort of folks. I also suspect this is why the lists match so closely with conventional measures.</p>
<p>I personally don’t see a difference between schools in tier 2 and 3 of this list, however, and for undergraduates I would probably change this significantly. I think we ended up with something that matches an overall rank more closely than just an undergraduate rank. Again, no surprise, because most of the posters in here were not writing from a purely undergraduate education perspective.</p>
<p>^ That is as solid of a ranking as I’ve ever seen</p>