<p>It seems that every state school is now considered a "Public Ivy." So I was wondering, what schools do you guys think constitute the "Public Ivies?"</p>
<p>UC Berkeley
U of Michigan
U of Virginia</p>
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<p>College of William & Mary
UCLA
UNC</p>
<p>The [original</a> “Public Ivies”](<a href=“http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy]original”>Public Ivy - Wikipedia) were:</p>
<p>University of California (system)
Michigan
UVA
UNC
UT Austin
College of William and Mary
Miami University
University of Vermont</p>
<p>Like you said though, everyone seems to have their own ranking.</p>
<p>[COED</a> Magazine](<a href=“http://coedmagazine.com/2010/10/20/the-top-ten-public-ivies/]COED”>http://coedmagazine.com/2010/10/20/the-top-ten-public-ivies/) made a list.
This [Poets and Quants](<a href=“http://poetsandquants.com/2011/08/15/top-feeder-colleges-to-harvard-business-school/”>Poets&Quants - An Emotional Moment: A $100 Million Gift Over $5 Salads) article names just 5 (at the end).</p>
<p>I’d say the top 10 “Public Ivies” (mostly in this order) are:</p>
<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UVA
UCLA
UNC
College of William and Mary
UT Austin
Washington
Wisconsin
Illinois</p>
<p>Berkeley still has the name (but that’s all it has… except for its engineering department). I chose UCLA over Berkeley, and I find that UCLA, UVA, and UCSD are way above any of the other “public Ivies.” What I want to know is why Michigan is even on the top half of this list…</p>
<p>^ You must not be an engineer.</p>
<p>Haters gonna hate. UCLA usually gets a lot of hate because California already has a “flagship.” But realistically, it’s just as good (but probably better) than Uva and Michigan. (the only things they really have over it is endowment, but they have that over Berkeley as well.)</p>
<p>According to US news it’s:</p>
<p>Berkeley
UCLA/Uva
Michigan
UNC</p>
<p>(note: michigan and UNC don’t even crack the top 25 on national universities ranking for USNews. can you really be a ‘public ivy’ if you can’t do that? 
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<p>Another school that might typically be included on this list is UT-Austin. You’ll always have other schools claiming to be ‘public ivies’ like Purdue and UColorado-Boulder, but i, at least, don’t take them seriously.</p>
<p>However, if there WERE a public ivy league, it would probably look as follows:</p>
<p>Berkeley (Harvard)
UCLA (Yale)
Michigan (Princeton)
Uva (Columbia)
Texas (Penn)
UNC (Brown)
UCSD (Cornell)
College of WaM (Dartmouth)</p>
<p>Members of the Wannabe League?</p>
<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
UVA
UNC
UT Austin
Washington
Wisconsin
Illinois</p>
<p>
The above analogy is fine, but I’d switch UCSD with Wisconsin and College of W&M with Washington.</p>
<p>“What I want to know is why Michigan is even on the top half of this list…”</p>
<p>Try looking at departmental strength. Only Berkeley bests Michigan in overall quality of it’s academic offerings, with UCLA right there too.</p>
<p>“Berkeley (Harvard)
UCLA (Yale)
Michigan (Princeton)”</p>
<p>The correct order should be:</p>
<p>Berkeley (Harvard)
Michigan (Yale)
UCLA (Princeton)</p>
<p>:-)</p>
<p>“Haters gonna hate. UCLA usually gets a lot of hate because California already has a “flagship.” But realistically, it’s just as good (but probably better) than Uva and Michigan. (the only things they really have over it is endowment, but they have that over Berkeley as well.)”</p>
<p>Really? </p>
<p>Michigan vs. UCLA:</p>
<p>*Udergraduate students:
Michigan: 26,000
UCLA: 26,000</p>
<p>Graduate students:
Michigan: 15,000
UCLA 13,000</p>
<p>Total students:
Michigan: 41,000
UCLA: 39,000</p>
<p>Undergraduate rankings:
USNWR: UCLA #25, Michigan #29
USNWR reputational score: Michigan 88, UCLA 85
USNWR undergraduate Engineering: Michigan #7, UCLA #19
USNWR undergraduate Business: Michigan #4, UCLA N/A
Fiske: Michigan **<strong><em>, UCLA </em></strong></p>
<p>Departmental/program rankings (graduate level):
Biology: Michigan #20, UCLA #24
Chemistry: Michigan #16, UCLA #16
Computer Science: Michigan #13, UCLA #14
Earth Science: Michigan #9, UCLA #17
Economics: Michigan #12, UCLA #14
English: UCLA #10, Michigan #13
History: Michigan #7, UCLA #9
Mathematics: Michigan #8, UCLA #8
Physics: Michigan #11, UCLA #19
Political Science: Michigan #4, UCLA #11
Psychology: Michigan #3, UCLA #3
Sociology: Michigan #3, UCLA #9</p>
<p>Law: Michigan #9, UCLA #15
Medicine: Michigan #6, UCLA #11</p>
<p>Libraries:
Michigan: 9,000,000 volumes
UCLA: 9,000,000 volume</p>
<p>*All stats courtesy of Alexandre based on 2011 data.</p>
<p>^ i’m sure all those factors contribute to why Michigan is the most applied to university in the nation – oh wait :p</p>
<p>UCLA would be the most applied to. Let’s see, hmmmm. 37,000,000 million people in the state of California. One SIMPLE CHECK to apply to 9 UC schools for an instate applicant. Hoping for Berkeley, but will still take UCLA if need be. Voila! Instant huge application totals for UCLA. I’m impressed.</p>
<p>I think UVA is the best public university in the country. They have the smartest student body and the highest endowment per capita.</p>
<ol>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>Cal</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>William & Mary</li>
<li>University of Michigan</li>
</ol>
<p>The above ordering is only for undergraduate education.</p>
<p>“I think UVA is the best public university in the country. They have the smartest student body and the highest endowment per capita.”</p>
<p>and weak engineering, weak natural science offerings…</p>
<p>Berkeley bests UVA by a considerable margin. Seriously, it’s really not that close.</p>
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With about 25,000,000 in Southern California and most kids not wanting to venture too far from home.</p>
<p>Engineering prowess doesn’t make a school great rjkofnovi. Princeton has no professional programs and is still considered a top 5 American university. Yale doesn’t have an elite business school and MIT doesn’t have a law school or a med school.</p>
<p>There will be no difference in the natural science courses offered at UVA and Cal at the undergraduate level. If you’re looking to get a PhD in Chemistry then obviously Berkeley is the better option.</p>
<p>
So department rankings matter for graduate programs but not undergrad…interesting.</p>
<p>UVa profs would not get tenure at many top schools.</p>
<p>Taken in a literal sense, Cornell’s divisions in agriculture, human ecology, industrial and labor relations, and veterinary medicine are publicly funded, so those parts of Cornell (a member of the Ivy League athletic conference) would (sort of) fit the description of “public Ivy”.</p>