<p>What are the top 3-5 colleges in California for out of state students? (especially for students from east coast/south east)</p>
<p>Any suggestions from the west coast? Maybe it is a bit early there…</p>
<p>With the exception of a few specific programs, I don’t recommend the UCs for OSS due to the price. The top privates (and most selective) are: Stanford, Caltech, USC, & Pomona (of the Claremont Colleges, a consortium of LACs. Other private colleges, but not so selective are Pacific, Santa Clara, San Diego…</p>
<p>Actually, Santa Clara has become more and more selective. It’s more selective than U San Diego and UOP, but not as selective as your top 5. SCU admits about half of its applicants.</p>
<p>Bluebayou, Cal and UCLA are not more expensive than any of the schools you listed, and they are 2 of the top 8 colleges in California. If the OP comes from a low income family from out of state, then I agree that the private schools may end up costing less, but to middle income families and upper income families, I doubt there will be much of a difference in price. The thought that a school is only good for residents of a particular state is ridiculous. Yes, the UCs are an amazing bargain for residents of California, but they are also excellent options for non-residents. </p>
<p>To the OP, the top schools in the state of CA,regardless of residency status are:</p>
<p>California Instiute of Technology
Claremont McKenna College
Harvey Mudd College
Pomona College
Stanford University
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Los Angeles
University of Southern California</p>
<p>There are many other good schools, such as CalPoly-SLO, Occidential, Santa Clara, UCD, UCI, UCSB, UCSD to name a few.</p>
<p>Occidental is excellent as well.</p>
<p>Deep Springs is arguably the most selective and certainly the cheapest in California, but it doesn’t apply/appeal to most people (including the OP).</p>
<p>The OP is from Florida. The UCs are NOT worth the OOS cost compared to UF.</p>
<p>IB, are you saying it worth paying $50,000/year to attend Occidental but not worth paying $45,000/year to attend Cal or UCLA? Cal is as good as Columbia or Cornell and UCLA is not much weaker.</p>
<p>This said, I agree that in CA, only Stanford is worth the OOS cost over the University of Florida.</p>
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Certainly not. Occidental, however, at least offers merit and financial aid.</p>
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…which is why Berkeley’s OOS yield is a whopping 19%.</p>
<p>(Look, I am hardly against publics. I have recommended Michigan, UVA, UNC, and others to many posters on CC. I just prefer publics to meet the need of OOS students as well – as UNC and UVA do.)</p>
<p>Cal offered a student I know a $25,000 scholarship last year. He isn’t even a US citizen and lived his who life in Dubai. </p>
<p>And what does yield rate have to do with anything? Caltech and Chicago have yield rates of 35%. Johns Hopkins and WUSLT have yield rates of 30%. Harvey Mudd and Carnegie Mellon’s have yield rates of 25%. And that’s their overall yield rates. Yield rates are always lower for students who come from distant states. It is likely that the yield rate for students from areas outside their state is lower. Cal’s 19% OOS yield rate isn’t surprising and comparatively speaking, not that low. </p>
<p>That is not to say that I disagree with you IB. Cal is not generous with aid and scholraships, but then again, neither are most universities, especially since the financial meltdown and most likely not for the next couple of years.</p>
<p>Thanks. from what I saw on one of their pages, Stanford has approx. 40% in state. Cal Tech and Harvey Mudd are small in size…</p>
<p>Do you know what the typical SAT Subject tests are for Stanford…looks like they are optional but recommended or highly recommended. Just curious.
(parent of student)</p>
<p>Alex:</p>
<p>yeah, I know the OOS costs for UC (and climbing). And to me, price and value are intertwined. With rare exception, for $50k/yr net, I cannot recommend any OOS public college – the value is just not there. With the exception of a few specialized programs (e.g., Eng & Chem at Cal, theater at UCLA, bioeng at SD…), UC’s are horrible choices for OOS at full pay.</p>
<p>collegesgirl: you should assume that all highly selective colleges have subject test scores in the 700’s for unhooked candidates.</p>
<p>Stanford
CalTech
Pomona
CMC
HMC</p>
<p>bluebayou, would you say that the Claremont McKenna colleges or USC are better than Cal and UCLA or are you saying that they are cheaper? Please clarify because I would take serious exception if you are saying that they are better.</p>
<p>*Cal offered a student I know a $25,000 scholarship last year. He isn’t even a US citizen and lived his who life in Dubai. *</p>
<p>Scholarships are different from financial aid. The UC’s would not have been allowed to give an int’l $25k in financial aid.</p>
<p>That said, I also question that amount for merit from a UC to an int’l. I don’t think the Regents are for that much.</p>
<p>$50,000 is an obscene sum of money for any school. It’s even worse when the university in question has had its budget gutted by recent cuts.</p>
<p>There is nothing to question mom2collegekids. I was involved with that student’s application process and read the scholarship offer with my own eyes. It was a Regent’s scholarship and total value was $20,000 or $25,000 per year. I admittedly forget the exact amount. I am leaning more toward $20,000/year. </p>
<p>And I never said that scholraships were the same as financial aid. I am well aware that Cal does not give financial aid to international students. But we weren’t referring to the nature of the incentive, merely the fact that Cal and UCLA provide them.</p>
<p>I would attend Cal for a full fee. I will never attend any Claremont college for a full fee. Those tiny schools don have very little prestige outside of California, whereas Berkeley is prestigious and well-respected across America and the globe.</p>
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<p>Alexandre:</p>
<p>Don’t read into what I haven’t written; I’m not saying either. All I have ever posted is that the UCs are great schools – much better than most on cc recognize (Berkeley’s international rep is huge, as you know, but cc is NE-centric, so many consider Cal just a step above a SUNY), but UCs offer poor value to OOS’ers and IMO, are not worth the price @ full pay. (And, I don’t think UMich is worth it as well, which is why my kids did not apply.)</p>
<p>^ If that is so, then only Stanford is worth OOS in California.</p>
<p>perhaps, rml, but it’s really the totality of the college experience at what out-of-pocket cost. Thus, it depends on family income and need for finaid vs. merit money. If someone just wanted to pay for prestige alone, then a case can be made that yes, Cal (and perhaps UCLA) are “worth” $50k. Now I don’t want to be dismissive of the Peer Assessment – indeed, I’m a big supporter – but for that kinda money, I’d go with a lower PA if I could get some other goodies: some smaller classes, better advising, better facilities, less bureaucracy (Cal’s Housing Department takes the “b” word to a whole new level), better dorms (UCLA’s admin thinks it cool to have forced triples for ~two years), better food, better finaid, less competition, etc. </p>
<p>But again, just my $0.02 as a (parent) consumer.</p>