if everyone else in my classes cheats then i have absolutely no problem doing so, which is exactly what is happening. they don’t deserve a good grade and i honestly do so i will do whatever it takes to get there. why should they get into a good school and i can’t?
@jessiekorovin I guess we’re going with the whole “If you can’t beat them, join up,” bs…huh? How about you do what is necessary to earn a good grade rather than stoop to their level. “An eye for an eye, makes the whole world go blind.” Also, one can get into a “good” school by doing their own work.
My thoughts on cheating are that I don’t cheat. TBH, I’d rather fail then cheat because I couldn’t live with myself and would probably snitch on myself. I’d rather get through life based on my own merit than based on what other people know. If I find someone cheating off of me, then I’ll block my paper from them the next time. I didn’t even know cheating was a huge thing among honors kids until I got into honors and AP classes. It’s actually quite appalling. Would I snitch on someone who’s cheating…No, it’s not my place. I personally believe that at some point cheaters will realize that they can’t progress through life based on someone else’s hard work and will have to put in the same time and effort as everyone else.
The last time I helped anyone cheat was in 6th grade science. I marked all the wrong answers because I knew they were cheating off of me, but then I forgot to change some of my answers back and I ended up getting the lowest grade out of the 3 of us…lessons learned. Last semester, I found out this kid was cheating off of me in AP Econ when he asked me, “Why you change your answer to number x, it was right the first time…” After that, I made sure he couldn’t see any of my answers. It took a lot of effort on my part. He ended up getting into Penn which was his dream school, so I guess they don’t care about his perpetual cheating habits.
If I see cheating, I report it. In my opinion, honest people don’t cheat, or tolerate those who do cheat.
This may sound sick and evil…but when I reoort someine cheating, I feel this weird pleasure that makes me yell “take that, cheater”
@tola2015 @evan241 I agree with all your comments. Especially @tola2015 I agree with you. One should never cheat because then what’s the difference between them and you??? It’s not good at all. Even if the world cheats, one should never cheat. It’s like if everyone jumps off a bride, doesn’t mean we should jump off the bridge, too.
The important thing is to not cheat as well as much as possible because the universe works in mysterious ways and the successful ones are those who don’t cheat. I know you think that because he went to Penn, he got away with it, but the truth is that’s the beginning of bad karma rubbing off and a cheater can never succeed. No matter what, it will come out in the end. They can’t succeed at the top notch schools when they spent all their time cheating in high school.
As for reporting them, sometimes that’s not even necessary because they end up getting caught, one way or another. The boy I am competing with for valedictorian has gotten in trouble for cheating 5 different times in intricate ways. First, the teacher caught him writing on the desk. Second, he was caught taking photos of the test. And the other times included him looking up solutions on his phone under the desk, making hand signals with his comrade in class, and even leaving the classroom during every test to probably look it up in the bathroom. And one day the teacher got suspicious and asked him to empty his pockets after the bathroom, and there was his phone. Since then, all teachers have lost all trust in him and he’s under watch all the time, and getting grades have gotten tougher.
So even if in your cases, the cheaters DIDN’T get caught and even got into prestigious schools, I can 100% guarantee, based on what I’ve seen in my life, they end up getting caught and sometimes it’s worse getting caught after a situation like a large university and then they will realize how unfortunate they truly are for all their times when they were cheating, they were only cheating themselves.
I’m sorry it affects us all when they cheat–it truly sucks. But I can say for sure that we will all be successful because we aren’t cheating and we are doing honest work. And even if we don’t manage to get to what we want, we can be proud that we did our job honestly and ethically. Even if they get to the edge of the moon with their cheating, they can feign a smile or whatever but they will know in their heart they don’t actually deserve it and know what they did was wrong. It can only go on so far.
All movies end and all performances end. Just like that, all cheater games end. It will never go on forever, even if it seems like that. The odds will be in the favor of those who don’t cheat and were honest and remained fair and respectful towards their schoolwork. They will lead miserable lives when all they did was cheat their way through it.
So really what I’m trying to say is we should never ever ever join them in cheating and we shouldn’t feel we are losing out because they are winning with their cheating and we should not let it bring us down or make us feel badly.
@paul2752 I take great pleasure in hiding my paper when I realize someone’s cheating off my test LOL. It’s so funny and kind of an “in your face” moment. In my case, I didn’t need to report on them because the teachers catch him so much, it’s hilarious.
To everyone: the person in my class who cheats… I just wanted to say I recently found out he is clinically diagnosed with a mental illness. I’m really close with my Spanish teacher and she was encouraging me for valedictorian and I said I’m upset because I can’t win when people have unfair advantages (I was implying him) and she told me that he’s actually mentally insane and everything will be okay no matter what. He would do some weird things where he’s overexaggerate the classes he’s taking and lie about his successes and cheating, and well all that was because of that. Just a short story.
don’t forget that those who cheat have lots of pressures in their lives. That’s not an excuse, but it is a reason behind a lot of it. It’s never okay to cheat, but they think they are justified in their actions sometimes and that’s crazy.
Well the cheating problem occurs to people with serious pressure, but happens more in either complete m***** or actually people with decent intelligence but doesn’t put any effort.
Oh, I would actually put wrong answers in my scantron when someone tries to cheat on me. Fortunately, my high school was very well-regarded and respected, and serious cheating problem never arose
Yes, cheaters who get into top schools are destined to fail, or even worse, get caught cheating and bring shame to his/her family
@tola2015 @SallyStephens well whatever you guys say about getting caught is wrong because people cheat in high school, get into a good college, and then keep cheating and don’t get caught. it helps them so i have no problem helping myself as well and i’m pretty sure college will be the same as high school where the teachers/professor just talk to me and don’t even give me a 0 since they don’t want to get into any trouble.
@jessiekorovin um, actually you get expelled from college if you’re caught cheating/plagiarizing etc.
@jessiekorovin You’re mistaken. If you look at my post #15 on this thread you can see college policy on this. Cheating can and will get you expelled from college. Plus, professors don’t confront you first- they go straight to the honor (academic integrity) council in most cases. If you are caught cheating, the minimum punishment is failing (ie getting a 0) on the assignment.
He ended up getting caught cheating in BC Calc that’s the only class he doesn’t cheat in now. So, you do get caught eventually.
@jessiekorovin Good luck in life, that’s all I’m going to say.
It’s almost sad how deluded some people are. But it’s no matter – they think they won’t get caught one day and they will and that’s when they’ll regret it, yet it will be too late. @tola2015 @guineagirl96
I don’t get it. If you think someone is looking at your paper, cover your paper. If you think someone is bringing notes into class and peeking at them during a closed book closed notes exam, point blank clarify with the teacher if it is okay to look at notes during an exam. During the exam you see someone cheating if possible.
I would find it VERY suspicious that someone is cheating on every single piece of work, including quizzes and tests. Unless you know the actual mode of cheating, like a cell phone under the desk or written notes, or looking at other papers, you know nothing as to whether they cheat.
Realize also that teachers and professors can make it easier or pretty much impossible to cheat, and it is their responsibility to minimize cheating and approach it fairly and honestly if it does happen.
We had a student who was caught cheating on a final exam. Three times so it was finally reported by the proctor. This student had completely straight As in the class, and the policy is a zero on the test for cheating. She decided to take a zero, which gave her a C overall in the class, instead of go in front of the Honor Code board. All the time arguing that she didn’t cheat and threatening this and that, but was afraid to take it to the university.
High schools should have a similar policy - one time infractions result in a zero on the test or quiz, another even in another class results in bringing it to the principal.
The sneakiest thing to do, and a suggestion to make to a teacher who is up for it, when students are looking at other papers, is to make up a question or two that is different for every student. In one case of students caught cheating where I work, the instructor gave out two different exams, and the answers for certain questions were the same though the questions were different in terms of numbers.
I don’t think any teacher who is worth their salt would not want to hear about the possibility of cheating in his or her class. I do think that going to a teacher or principal with a flat out “so and so is cheating all the time” without significant proof would be a really really bad idea. But warning a teacher before the next test that you are concerned that people are cheating and in what way, rather than saying “and Bobby and Sally and Jane and Robert are cheating” is a better idea.
It is considered honorable to report the possibility of cheating to a teacher to warn them. It is considered dishonorable to report specific people as cheaters without substantial and objective proof of them cheating, and yes, doing that could get you in trouble in more ways than one.
I don’t get why teachers, or even a school gets blaming when a cheating happens.
No one is telling him/her to cheat, right? The school can teach the morality, but it can’t dictate every single choice that students make…to me, placing faults on school is not fair
There’s a special place on my blacklist for cheaters.
Cheating is prevalent at my school, and it drives me insane how some kids think they can cheat their way to the top. Especially when it ruins the curve, and when they get higher ranks in the class, and especially when my friends and I bust out butts just to be punished for being honest.
You get punished for what?
I’m with you all on this one!
@paul2752 I think they mean getting in trouble for reporting specific people for cheating?
@rhandco I’m glad I wasn’t the only one wrote a super long post haha:) So yes I totally agree with you. And also, the majority of my teachers have done different forms of tests to minimize cheating during tests! It’s a great idea, in my opinion.
And yeah I’ve seen specific instances of cheating with my own eyes and so have many others. But some people don’t and they can’t just assume cheating is happening without actually seeing it, so I understand what you mean.
Sadly, it’s kind of like the campus sex assault threads, and the most recent case I read about resulted in the grand jury throwing out the charges against students who held a student captive in her dorm room while others sexually assaulted her. So now of course the accused, who were all over 18 and therefore their names were in the paper plus the college suspended all five of them, want to sue the college and the college police and the newspapers and the victim. Or their lawyers do anyway.
Many people are saying that the victim should be arrested for a false report, however one must understand that a grand jury not sending a case to trial doesn’t mean nothing happened, it means that there is insufficient evidence to go to trial. But someone reporting cheating and there being too weak evidence to support the charge of cheating could have the tables turned on them.
And you don’t want to get embroiled in that kind of situation, reporting someone individually could end up hurting you if you don’t have clear evidence.
So the teachers and administration are ultimately responsible for catching cheaters, but minimizing cheating does take a bit of work and planning.