<p>"I took it twice, first time 168, second time 158... But I don't believe that measures anything. If I had anything near that ability (which is supposed to be "gifted" or "genius")"</p>
<p>168??!?!?!158!?!?@*@(@</p>
<p>A 158 is 99.995th percentile...</p>
<p>You don't even wanna know what a 168 is...</p>
<p>kosuke every single thing you said is one sided. Everything consisted of "I did well on this, so they should make it harder," or the inverse. </p>
<p>God, everyone on the boards is like that. It's always: "The SAT is meaningless" (Speaker got 200 points below expectations.)</p>
<p>nick, slipstream was referring to mensa160 probably. Not that I know your opinion, but who are you to say what is crap? Every culture has their own ideas. Yes, some are better than others, resulting in more successful & healthful lives, but still, you are not the arbiter of social values, sorry to say.</p>
<p>I hate the SAT because it is incredibly biased but I recieved a way better score than anticipated so stop generalizing ashernm! Some people actually want what's right for everyone not just for themselves and sometimes both groups know what is right.</p>
<p>"kosuke every single thing you said is one sided. Everything consisted of "I did well on this, so they should make it harder," or the inverse. "</p>
<p>maybe it looks like im one sided because youre on the other side. eh? or maybe when youre standing on the right, the middle looks like its too far to the right?</p>
<p>im kidding. yes, i agree. i am very bitter about the fact that i have a terrible vocab and do a lot better on the math, i just dont think it's fair that they cap it at 800. im a very very bitter person. i honestly work just as hard in english class as i do in math class, and what do i have to show for it? a lopsided score. boohoo. oh well. life goes on. i just wish things revolved around me. it would make things a lot easier for me. but you know what? thats just me being an a$s. sorry.</p>
<p>Well Kosuke, admitting is the first step.</p>
<p>xbisousbisoux, you were against it initially because of your percieved score. That points to what I said. Your high score did not change your opinion because you simply formed a conscious hate for the SAT, and continued your mental crusade against it.
I am not advocating one side or the other. I am just pointing to the hypocrisy & even jealousy that pervades these forums. Some people deride high SAT scores as nothing but meaningless and a product of luck to safeguard their own ego.
There will always be standardized testing. Colleges need a consistent filter. It is a way to level the field (commence arguing that!) and compare students of different backgrounds.</p>
<p>i wasn't against it because of my percieved score ashernm I belong to the upper middle class so the SAT's bias helps me. I expected to do badly because I have bad grades in school (meaning I blamed myself not the SAT)</p>
<p>why other to know? we are stuck with it and we can never break the SATs. its supposed to measure our "resoning skills". ETS IS SO STUPID. so they want to know all our reasoning skills, cramming and hurrying throughout the entire test. I think it measurses our grades, in the ETS way. it will never be able to measure our entire intelligence and reasoning skills.</p>
<p>now you are just parroting SAT conspiracy theories. While there is some truth to it, What is your point?? You are just spouting reasons to abolish the SAT. Also: You CAN be against something that favors you. There are plenty of blacks who are against Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>yes I am prone to believing conspiracies, I also believe that the holocaust didn't exist, there are aliens in area 51, and on sept. 11 we ordered the attack on our own people. and wait you CAN be against something that favors you? I thought you just told me that I only hated the SAT because I was too stubborn and wouldn't give up my "mental crusade" even though I was (in your mind) proved wrong, if anything I was proved right</p>
<p>No I said you hated it because of your " your percieved score. " You thought you did bad and that made you angry/depressed. The "mental crusade" was a result of the negative feelings. How about looking at the correlation of high SAT scores and household income as a result of the education infrastructure, instead of the test itself. Granted, it MAY enlarge the differences somehow. But it is mainly just a symptom of larger forces. </p>
<p>BTW if you believe those conspiracies you are either (1) extremely stupid or (2) a muslim extremist. If it was a joke, it was not in good taste.</p>
<p>i didn't hate it because of my percieved score...i hated myself as for this...ya that was sarcasm but I love the way you blame muslims for all those thories, definitely the sign of a true patriotic american (btw every one of those was generated by americans) I just have to say though that you have impeccable taste.</p>
<p>Every response regarding the original question differs. You hate yourself? the test? the correlations of income and high scores? that others do better? I cannot debate with a person who vacillates from one point to another, who is consistently inconsistent.</p>
<p>Yes I know my view sounds stereotypical but here is one piece of evidence for each:
1. Who wrote a dissertation for their Phd that was a denial of the holocaust? Oh yes, Mahmoud Abbas. The Arab media commonly hails Hitler and simoultaneously denies the holocaust. Want to see what the Arabs are really saying? Go to Memri.org, a website that translates Arab press. Here is an apt excerpt, "The Iranian Foreign Ministry-affiliated Tehran Times published an op-ed by columnist Hossein Amiri titled 'Lies of the Holocaust Industry,"
The whole holocaust denial may have been started by Americans, but it never achieved anything close to the acceptance it does in the Arab world.</p>
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<li>(A bit different from what you said) Who said that 4000 Jews knew about 9/11? The Arab Media. I have also heard the rumor (or something similar) you mentioned from extreme left wingers. </li>
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<p>You clearly lack the ability to be differentiate between humor and egregiously distasteful comments. Say sorry all you want, and how you were not serious but the point remains. </p>
<p>BTW-unrelated- my bro was friends in HS with the son of founder of your namesake.</p>
<p>How do I have impeccable taste? In the choice of my opinions?</p>
<p>Ok I will clarify once again I do dislike the SAT but I have always blamed myself for my lack of success in school (Im the one who won't study, not my parents or my teachers) my entire point here was that not everyone is as shallow as you think, some people have real unselfish beliefs that cause them to dislike the SAT.</p>
<p>as for the other things I never said foreign people didn't believe in conspiracies (you seem to be grasping at staws here) as for my distasteful comments, people taking these conspiracies seriously is what should worry you not the people who find them ridiculous. about my namesake i am truly confused by this one. your impeccable taste? another joke in responce to you laying the blame for american racism and absurdity on muslims.</p>
<p>Show me an example of what you imagine and there are at least 9 to counter. Every person whining on these boards about something being too easy or too difficult or too BS was a result of their performance. I align my opinion according to the evidence before me.</p>
<p>I was not talking about foreigners, I was talking about Arabs/Muslims. No, I do not hate Muslims or Arabs. I do, however, hate those opinions that absolve the Muslim/Arab world of any blame or responsibility. </p>
<p>"american racism and absurdity on muslims." Did you mean absurdly? I backed up my opinions so I do not consider them <em>that</em> absurd. I challenge you to do the same or refute mine. This argument would be better carried out in PMs.</p>
<p>namesake=bisoubisou=clothing brand.</p>
<p>so you really have proof that EVERYONE here is whining because of their own self interest?</p>
<p>so if you don't mean foreigners then are you talking about american muslims?</p>
<p>no I meant absurdity as in the noun, synonym: ridiculousness (if that is a word)</p>
<p>bisoubisou=kisskiss=i don't shop much but Im taking french</p>
<p>All this arguing about race and sexual orientation just backs up my central position, that college admissions should be based 95% on grades and SATs. THat way no one could argue that someone got in because they are gay, black or whatever. I hope you will all go to sleep tonight thinking about this.</p>
<p>I wish I could start over in kindergarten--only not in a public school. I think I'd be smarter and more motivated to work and therefore my score wouldn't have been crap. Then again, it's all over now and doesn't matter.</p>
<p>Mensa thats all good and nice until you see how many people who get As on everything and 1500+. Are you really going to not admit a person because they got a 1580 instead of 1590?</p>
<p>same here bluealien, id like to restart the whole 16 years of my life because theres so much stuff i wouldve done differently. but i guess were looking at the wrong direction, when we should be looking forward, to the future, and not to the past.
there are many opportunities still to come i am sure. unless i get run over by a bus.</p>
<p>and really? is 158 and 168 in the 99.9995%percentile? nah there must be thousands of people who got these scores as well. anyway it doesnt matter to me, frankly.<br>
IQ tests dont change anything, except for peoples egos.</p>
<p>Kosuke...congrats for the perfect score on the math section! Although cramming vocab. words on notecards is completely USELESS (people gain a broad vocabulary by reading extensively), you might have done better on the verbal section if you practiced. An 800 on the math is still pretty impressive, esp. for someone who had no preparation at all.</p>
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The elimination of analogies may exacerbate the black-white SAT score gap, since the gap is somewhat smaller on the analogy section than on the test as a whole, according to Jay Rosner, executive director of the Princeton Review Foundation.
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<p>This following article (from Time) claims that minorities tend to perfrom better on the analogies section, and their elimination and the adding of the essay section is likely to be a detriment to minorities and international students.</p>