What do u like and hate about Columbia?

<p>To continue the thread, here's an opinion piece written by the first-year columnist that appeared in today's Columbia Sepctator Online Edition. I thought students not yet at Columbia, or considering it, might find it interesting.

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Further Down College Walk
The Fern Fifteen</p>

<p>By Fernanda Diaz
November 29, 2005
Around this time a year ago, I stopped sleeping. However dorky/extreme/psychotic it might seem in retrospect, the knowledge that in just three weeks I would know if I had gotten into Columbia seemed too daunting to forget and be able to have re****l nights. Thankfully, a couple of weeks and a large envelope later, I returned to my typical night activities (snoring and dreaming), and went to bed beamingly content for the rest of senior year with the oversimplified ideal of a John Jay single and the Core.</p>

<p>That oversimplified ideal was exactly that—no glossy brochure or Fiske guide could have provided much real premature insight into the process by which we first-years have slowly become Columbians. But we’re not yet insiders. We’ve taken only about a third of the core. We don’t know how it feels to shape our schedule for our declared majors. At this point, we haven’t even seen the trees on college walk sprinkled with white lights and snow, or taken John Jay dining hall trays sledding down the stairs. We do not yet have a past at Columbia.</p>

<p>We have, however, a busy present filled with the sentiments of our first-year perspective fresh in our minds. We have, to shamelessly quote the contest guidelines for this column spot, “a perspective that those of us who have come to take for granted/bitterly accept the joys/horrible pains that come with attending Columbia lose over time.” It’s not the overpriced apparel or the New York City zip code that makes us Columbia students. It’s things like, for me, hurried walks to class tripping over bricks and reading the free New York Times, the guilty pleasure that comes from getting the sketchy Ferris Booth pasta repeatedly, or the familiarity of the faces I stay up all night with in the 209 Philosophy reading room in Butler. Every one of us first-years has created their own Columbia through acquired favorites—our preferred study spots, the best floor to drink, our favorite view of campus.</p>

<p>It seems like there’s no non-cheesy way to write an end of semester piece, but we’ve maneuvered our way through everything from four out of the 14 names on the Butler façade, to the Baker Field tailgating policy, to the perfect 1 subway line (“There’s more than just the 1!” say my NYU friends). We’ve met fantastic people and had those clichéd yet truly enjoyable late-night philosophical/procrastination/musical sessions. We’ve seriously come to refer to our dorms as “home,” and that merits at least a little cheesiness.</p>

<p>Looking back, I thought that first semester would seem like an extended welcome, a few months in which we would be treated like newcomers—guided step-by-step through everything and not expected to become too involved or committed right away. Moments after orientation had ended though, this belief faded as it became clear how we weren’t about to be taken care of, nor were we going to be left alone. From athletics to music to student publications to theater (not to mention our intimidatingly small Lit Hum classrooms), the chances we had and the way we took them reflect the way we have both been expected and welcomed to belong. In that respect, however different our first-year outlook might be, we were not separated from the rest—we became starters, editors, board members, contributors, soloists, emcees, and orchestra members. All as first-years. First semester first-years, no less.</p>

<p>The process by which we’ve become integrated into the Columbia student persona could not be complete without my initial topic, the final and most important indicator of assimilation—sleep. It’s a year after my sleep depravation began because of this school, and I must admit that sleep, as everyone knows, is again not so prevalent in the Lion lifestyle. Not at nighttime, at least, when normal people partake in it. From the hours spent practicing piano at 3 a.m. in the John Jay lounge, to those spent exploring the multiple libraries and ending up in Butler to write a comparison between Aeschylus and Plato, to many spent in dimly-lit doubles watching French musicals, Columbians don’t sleep very much. They don’t sleep much at night because there is a surplus of information and discussion and life. Naps in the day are heaven, and this all might sound too romantic, because among the workload and stress, things like dark circles and neglecting lovely long-distance boyfriends do exist, but it’s what truly makes us students here.</p>

<p>So, in honor of oversimplifications, I’ve taken quite a liking to Columbia, I sort of miss sleep, and I really miss my boyfriend. This semester’s almost over, and we’re going “home” for a month. Right now, only two of the trees on college walk are lit, and I can’t wait until they’re done, because they’ll probably be beautiful.

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<p>People the world over have sweatshirts that say Columbia. Maybe they're a fan of the Lions? Is that impossible? (Well... maybe you're right.) I'm sure many have friends on the sports teams. Or play on them, even!</p>

<p>The Columbia lawn is also generally considered community area, like Morningside Park. It's rated in TimeOut as one of the best singles mingling scenes of the summer. And it's a nice safe place for people to take their kids. Maybe security should send them all to the park.</p>

<p>"The fact that so many Barnard graduates and students wind up coming to this Columbia site arguing their points shows how they just can't stay away."</p>

<p>Very cute. Yes, when I run a search every now and then for "Barnard" on CC, I click and see what's being said. If I find something incorrect, I correct it. This thread was full of false assumptions and misstatements about the nature and history of BC-CU. The Barnard board, on the other hand, doesn't harp on those "horrible Columbia girls" or those "piggish Columbia guys" messing up our nice things, so naturally you'd have no reason to argue over there. We could, but I think most would rather live and let live, enjoy our college experience, and not generalize about groups including our friends.</p>

<p>Really, though, you should be happy with what you have and not worry about how other people have it. If somone else having something similar removes all value from something you prized, well... it was a pretty shallow prize. What about all those naturally smart people who slacked in high school and still got in? Do they make your work a total waste? No, because your work got YOU in, and that's supposedly what you wanted. If you don't like Barnard students running clubs, run them yourself. Clubs have elected officials, I'm sure you'd easily oust the inexplicably empowered infiltrators.</p>

<p>wow perfectly describes my first semester ;-)</p>

<p>I'm hoping that my status as a homosexual male will render me immune to these complaints about the Barnard girls. :)</p>

<p>Interestingly enough, during a campus visit to Columbia last spring, my daughter was told by a chair of the english department at Columbia that HE considered it to be a wise thing for any Columbia student to take full advantage of the courses offered at Barnard and to take them whenever possible. He expressed the opionion that Barnard offered much more individualized attention and instruction and he considers it to be an asset to Columbia.</p>

<p>Additionally, his experience as a professor is that Barnard students are not readily distinguishible from CC students in the classroom. One is easily as bright and capable as the other. </p>

<p>However, it does seem that some may harbour a bit of resentment. Not good for the soul!</p>

<p>well said, churchmusicmom!</p>

<p>Actually, I also have a complaint about the sweatshirt situation. My D is a Barnard student and was sent a Columbia sweatshirt as a graduation present by one of my relatives because they couldn't find a Barnard sweatshirt. Finding a Barnard sweatshirt might have been easier while school and therefore the Barnard store is in session. The same may be true of other souvenirs. For instance I would like to by a Barnard hat to wear in the sun (what my D calls a "grumpy old man hat", but on the other hand maybe a women's college shouldn't sell "grumpy old man hats") Columbia has more neat souvenirs.
So to return to the original post, what I like about Columbia University is their book store which in addition to textbooks, books by faculty and dorm stuff has really neat souvenirs for jealous parents who wish they could go back to college.</p>

<p>alright so I go to Columbia and I used College Confidential frequently, so to help you all out.</p>

<p>Columbia University students are usually very independent, there is community, there is lots of community. You just have to make sure you go to the community, you have to be social and make friends with people who live on your floor the freshman year, because they will usually be your friends for life. I live in Carman Hall and it's amazing, i recommend it to everyone...and the community sense is unbelievable, in the beginning, we did EVERYTHING together. I went out with my floormates, ate with them, studied with them, exercized with them and partied with them. I don't understad this lack of community lalooplaie is talking about, there is plenty of community,it may die down after your freshman year but only because you aren't living with your best friends anymore, and you can always plan it so that you are in the same building. Columbia is awesome, and I would go to no other school over it. Uhm, as for the Barnard situation, I personally love having an extra thousand girls around as I'm a guy, who is in SEAS, is not a bookworm and does not live in the Library except for finals week. Come to Columbia if you are independent, can make friends easily and are outgoing, and like NYC. I mean you'll like it no matter what, but you'll like it more if you're outgoing and into the night scene.</p>

<p>it seems to me that a lot of columbia college kids come to columbia expecting it to be amherst or something except in nyc with the ivy league label, and then they realize it's not a tiny liberal arts college, it's part of a university and there are other schools to contend with sharing their campus, classes, and dining halls. some people adjust well and some people don't.
i'm at barnard and i respond to columbia posts because i know a lot about columbia and i share in the overall experience.<br>
but if i were a "true" columbia student..
i would like how gorgeous it is, new york, new york. lots of interesting people and backgrounds and so many resources and beautiful libraries and i find it just a great experience. there are frat parties and then there are nyc clubs and you can go to both.
i have heard some people doubting the value of their education though and that if it werent for the name of columbia they might transfer to a state school. sometimes more resources go to grad schools than undergrad. but again that's to be expected from a large research university and not a rural LAC that's only for undergrad.
and that, my friends, is why so many people take classes at barnard..</p>

<p>This thread has become sort of interesting. When I'm alert, I'll possibly give a longer reply.</p>

<p>I'm still physically and mentally drained from this past semester and - a week after finals - all I want to do is sleep.</p>

<p>I would just like to chip in as a GS student. I find the inferences of GS as being a "backdoor" into Columbia misleading on two points. </p>

<p>Firstly, I have met many GS students that have transferred from elite institutions such as Harvard and MIT. I myself transferred from Yale. I'm relatively sure that for the most part, these schools are harder to obtain admission to than Columbia College. </p>

<p>Secondly, even if many GS students have come from community colleges etc. I believe the point that we have retained the highest GPA average of any school (Columbia and it's "affiliates") speaks volumes. It is not merely about what college one is granted admission to, but where one thrives. GS students are completely integrated into a curriculum with other Columbia students, and yet and still we are acheiving the highest GPA's. </p>

<p>Until I read this board, I was unaware of the hostility that many GS and Barnard students face from CC students. It's really a shame. It's a waste to let something like this taint your views of other people. </p>

<p>As an aside, the most friendly students I have encountered have been from Barnard. They have always been extremely gracious and helpful to me.</p>

<p>Menunno, you state that GS students have retained the highest GPA average of any school. What is the source of that information?</p>

<p>I believe it was previously stated in one of the posts from this thread.</p>

<p>The average high school GPA for GS is a 2.0 according to some other posts. This is a far cry from Columbia College. I know someone who had C's in high school, managed to get a 3.3 at a community college for a year and got into GS. This person wouldn't even be close for Columbia College.</p>

<p>As for community, you can have friends anywhere - this is college. Overall though, Columbia's "community' is much less strong than the other Ivies. Its not a diss on Columbia, its being realistic that this school is in New York and its a very large university</p>

<p>The average high school GPA and the average college GPA are two drastically different things. The point I was trying to make is that regardless of the average 2.0 HS GPA for incoming GS students, GS students retain the highest GPA while at Columbia. Therefore, the logic that GS students are "less qualified" to be at Columbia is flawed.</p>

<p>Of course though, there are other factors to be considered, like the number of members within the student body of each school. I do not know the total number of undergrads within GS. If it's smaller than CC, which I'm assuming it is, then that might make it easier to sustain the high GPA (less of a "pool" of students). As well, course loads etc. are important factors as well.</p>

<p>I'm not sure if you could verify the information, but from my understanding, straight from the GS office in Lewisohn, is that GS students do have the highest GPA of the three undergraduate schools at Columbia. Based on my experiences with GS students, especially in seminars, this doesn't surprise me at all.</p>

<p>The 2.0 High School GPA doesn't sound that accurate though, but I do know of a handful of high school drop-outs that took time off to "get their act together" so to speak (working, sight-seeing, etc), and have come back as top students at Columbia.</p>

<p>For the record, my SAT scores were rather low by CC/SEAS standards. I honestly don't remember the number because it was taken so long ago, but if I had applied directly out of high school, I doubt that I would have gotten into CC at the time. For me, the little bit of time off did me well. I was able to collect my thoughts and really ask myself if this was something I wanted to strive for. In the meantime, I left high school early for a variety of reasons, worked my way up what I oftentimes call the "minors" (a state school followed by a second tier private college), earning a 4.0, spending some time working in politics (mostly to be around likeminded individuals, but also to keep my mind active in something I could see myself returning to in the future), and then making the Columbia GS transition.</p>

<p>I value GS students' accomplishments, but I know of plenty of young GS students who got into GS under the age of 25 and wouldn't have even come close to getting into CC or SEAS out of high school or as transfers.</p>

<p>The main reason GS students have the highest GPA of all three undergrad schools is because most GS students take a couple of classes and have an equal amount of time to study and prepare for them. Most of my interaction with GS students has been with pre-med post bac students and its clear why they do well. When one of them is taking two or three lower level classes to fulfill their premed requirement and someone in SEAS is taking at least 5 or 6 just to graduate on time you would assume the person taking much fewer and easier classes would end up with a higher GPA. Plus, the people in GS are older and thus do not fall victim to the common distractions of college since most of them have already partied their way through college already.</p>

<p>Also the GS kids do get a boost from post-bac students who are fighting to get into med-school usually, and likely have very high grades boosting the overall GS numbers.</p>

<p>I am being recruited to run track at Columbia. If I am a guy that grew up in the South (Georgia), will I be able to deal with the fast pace of NYC? I need some advice on this.</p>