What do you believe is the most reliable college ranking?

College Search & Selection
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<p>What a nice counterarguement that is completely irrelevent.</p>

<p>My point is that obviously a school with 30,000 students won't have the same research budget at one with 8,000 students of the same caliber.</p>

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<p>According to your argument Coto you're agreeing that UCLA and Michigan are better than Stanford and Harvard? Well to each his own. Have fun at the state schools, I'll be at the elite private universities if you need to reach me.</p>

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<p>benz--sounds like an insecure Pinto to me.</p>

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<p>R&D budget is more a reflection of the faculty (the ones getting the grants)and the graduate program...not very relevant to undergrdaduate qualities. And it also tends to favor science, engineering and medical fields (the ones that demand large R&D budgets).</p>

<p>Still, it is interesting to note that Johns Hopkins is first with a budget of over a million, way ahead of the rest of the field. And Wisconsin(#4), U of Washington(#5), UCSD(#7), all up there with the big boys.</p>

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That is correct XANATOS, among Ivies, I consider Brown and Dartmouth to be the most limited and as such, the weakest. But there is very little difference between the best Ivies (H,PY) and the rest of the Ivies, so we are not talking about night and day differences. even the weakest Ivy League is one of the nation's top 15-20 university. People often confuse what I say. I am not referring to the quality of education. That, I always maintain, is impossible to measure. I believe that when it comes to learning, once a student is past a certain age (10th grade ot 11th grade), the onus lies squarely on the student...not the university. As such, I only speak of the quality of a university as a whole. In short, the quality of the faculty, departments, research etc...

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<p>You think Dartmouth sucks just come out and say it already.</p>

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<p>XANATOS, why are you so hateful man? Can't we just get along?! LOL </p>

<p>Seriously, you have obviously seen me group universities. I do it often. I always list Dartmouth together with Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Michigan, Northwestern and Penn. Those 10 schools are my #8-#17 in no particular order...just depends on what you value and what you prefer. So obviously, I do not think Dartmouth sucks. I have nothing but respect for any school in that group. </p>

<p>But unlike some posters, I do not believe Dartmouth belongs with the top 6 or 7 universities in the nation. Those spots are reserved for H,P,S,Y,M,Cal and CalTech. </p>

<p>I guess we are all entitled to our opinion. In your case, you don't even believe Michigan belongs in the top 20, so you aren't one to speak! hehe</p>

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<p>are you talking about undergraduate? I wouldn't include Cal berkeley in that list...</p>

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<p>Gatsby, there is no difference. Undergrad and grad are the same. Only in LACs does it make a difference. My friends who went to Princeton did not have more access to resources or faculty than my friends who went to Cal.</p>

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<p>uc_benz: Why do you say such things? You'll make people think that students in our school are arrogant....</p>

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<p>Note--half of Hopkins research budget is in reality the funding for a government owned research center that JHU manages. Most take that out when comparing to other schools.</p>

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<p>Haha, I was saying that he can go to UCLA/Michigan and I'll go to Harvard/Stanford, not the fact that I actually will go to a really good school. I could be going to South Dakota State Community College, and it wouldn't change the fact that Harvard/Stanford are better than UCLA/Michigan. Settle down kk, its alright :)</p>

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<p>UC_benz</p>

<p>I 'm an MIT alum.( year 1992)</p>

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<p>Your chance of working for a Harvard grad is about the same as working for a Wisconsin grad. Both have the same number of major company CEO's. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.bus.wisc.edu/news/0106.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bus.wisc.edu/news/0106.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>The top schools for each are the same.</p>

<p>Atlantic Monthly top 10 & PR Selectivity top 10</p>

<ol>
<li>MIT </li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
</ol>

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<p>Gatsby, there is no difference. Undergrad and grad are the same. Only in LACs does it make a difference. My friends who went to Princeton did not have more access to resources or faculty than my friends who went to Cal.</p>

<p>This is utterly untrue. Cal's classes are taught mostly by TAs.. there was even a Times article about this!! personally, I wouldn't shell out high tuition to get taught by TAs.. (except maybe in Harvard, but harvard is harvard lol)</p>

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<p>umm many of harvard's classes are taught by TAs as well.....Cal undergrad Engineering is dominant and the prestige of Cal is pretty much on par with the prestige of any other elite ivy school for engineering/sciences/business</p>

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<p>that's what i said.. Harvard is taught by TAs, but i still would pay the tuition</p>

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<p>"As for R&D, i'm not even going to bother arguing because noone in their right mind would believe that Hopkins, UCLA, Duke, Cornell, Penn and Michigan are better than Harvard, Princeton and Yale. "</p>

<p>I thought Princeton is not that great for R&D.</p>

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<p>Check HY
I don't like USNEWS rankings,though. </p>

<p>Rank/School Peer
assessment(engineering)
score
(5.0 = highest)
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Stanford University (CA) 4.8</p></li>
<li><p>University of California–Berkeley * 4.7</p></li>
<li><p>California Institute of Technology 4.6
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.6</p></li>
<li><p>Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.5</p></li>
<li><p>University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.4</p></li>
<li><p>Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.3
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (IN)* 4.3</p></li>
<li><p>Cornell University (NY) 4.2
University of Texas–Austin * 4.2</p></li>
<li><p>Princeton University (NJ) 4.1</p></li>
<li><p>Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.0
Northwestern University (IL) 4.0
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0</p></li>
<li><p>Pennsylvania State U.–University Park * 3.9
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.9
Texas A&M Univ.–College Station * 3.9</p></li>
<li><p>Rice University (TX) 3.8
Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities * 3.8
Virginia Tech * 3.8</p></li>
<li><p>Duke University (NC) 3.7
Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 3.7
Univ. of California–San Diego * 3.7
Univ. of Maryland–College Park * 3.7
Univ. of Southern California 3.7
University of Washington * 3.7</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia University (NY) 3.6</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Harvard University (MA) 3.6</p>

<p>Ohio State University–Columbus * 3.6
University of California–Davis * 3.6
University of Pennsylvania 3.6
33. Case Western Reserve Univ. (OH) 3.5
Iowa State University * 3.5
North Carolina State U.–Raleigh * 3.5
Univ. of California–Santa Barbara * 3.5
University of Colorado–Boulder * 3.5
University of Virginia * 3.5
39. Arizona State University * 3.4
Brown University (RI) 3.4
Michigan State University * 3.4
University of Arizona * 3.4
University of Florida * 3.4
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.4
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.4
Washington University in St. Louis 3.4
47. Dartmouth College (NH) 3.3
Lehigh University (PA) 3.3</p>

<p>Yale University (CT) 3.3</p>