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<p>You have a point. Probably about time to lay off the exploding head trick.</p>
<p>To get this back on track (imagine that: it wasn’t originally all Duke-bashing).</p>
<p>Ivy League: the actual Ivy League (not to say that other schools, particularly Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, WUSTL, Duke, Rice aren’t necessarily any worse or better than many Ivies) and for good measure to thrown in former member Annapolis</p>
<p>Top LACs: I’d take the ones that have received the most buzz among the people I know: Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Carleton, Colby, Colgate, DePauw, Grinnell, Hamilton, Haverford, Middlebury, Oberlin, Swarthmore, Vassar, Williams</p>
<p>^ and Wesleyan! :)</p>
<p>When I read the thread title, my response was the same as #102 (and …3).</p>
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<p>No, it’s not “more relevant,” because what kind of person makes a determination of what he or she likes based on what OTHER people happen to like? Answer: A not very self-confident person. </p>
<p>If I went by what the majority of people think or do, I’d buy my suits at Sears, vacation at the Holiday Inn, and go to NASCAR. </p>
<p>“Look – other people chose this, so it must be best!” is the rationale of – quite frankly – someone who is a total tool.</p>
<p>…unless of course, the best suit you can afford is from Sears, and your only chance for a vacation is at an inexpensive Holiday Inn…</p>
<p>be careful of elitist stereotypes.</p>
<p>^^but, hopefully, sticker price is not a factor; same as if you got a voucher to stay at the Waldorf-Astoria for $60 a night.</p>
<p>When I hear Ivy League, I think the original eight. I also would include UChicago, Stanford, and maybe even Caltech and MIT(and i think they are even a bit too technical)</p>
<p>As far as LACs, I think Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, the Seven Sisters, Pomona, Union, Colby, and Bowdoin</p>
<p>well-known LAC’s- Davidson, Holy Cross, Amherst, Bucknell, Williams. These schools have great academics and offer strong athletic programs. Holy Cross, Davidson and Bucknell are well known for their basketball success.</p>
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<p>Students do not “make a determination” to attend HYPSM over, say, Northwestern “based on what OTHER people happen to like,” but because HYPSM is better. Better schools will generally do better in the Revealed Preference rankings because they can attract better students.</p>
<p>That said, it does take some “self-confidence” to attend a school named after a direction and is often confused with Northeastern. </p>
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<p>Anyone can buy suits at Sears, vacation at Holiday Inn, and go to NASCAR. Not just anyone can get into HYPSM. So this analogy does not apply.</p>
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Uh, maybe where you’re from. Northwestern is definitely one of the most well-known top universities where I grew up (NC). It arguably has equal or more recognition as Stanford among the hoi polloi, in fact.</p>
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<p>This is utterly untrue. I have lived in three countries and attended schools both in the States and abroad and the only schools that “arguably has equal or more recognition as Stanford among the hoi polloi” are Harvard and Yale. </p>
<p>Among jet-set internationals, it’s not even close. (AsK Sam Lee. He is from Hong Kong, I believe. He attended Northwestern and even he’d tell you that in Asia, Stanford is A LOT more famous than Northwestern.)</p>
<p>I highly doubt the community where you grew up is reflective of the larger global community. According to a Gallup Poll, Stanford is more well-known than Northwestern even in the MIDWEST. Among college graduates, only Harvard surpasses Stanford in name recognition.</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> Number One University in Eyes of Public](<a href=“Harvard Number One University in Eyes of Public”>Harvard Number One University in Eyes of Public)</p>
<p>How the hell is northwestern not a respected school? Go suck it notinterestinggyuy</p>
<p>^ Well, Northwestern is at least as respected as Duke…</p>
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<p>You’re honestly going to cite that poll? You know, the one where NYU places behind Texas A&M? Let’s be honest – academic strength aside, NYU is more well-known than pretty much any school except HYP, especially internationally.</p>
<p>I’ll be even more blunt and say that nobody really cares what NU’s reputation abroad is. The vast majority of students are looking to get domestic jobs. Northwestern is well-known domestically due to its athletics (note that I’ve only spoken of name recognition, not prestige).</p>
<p>Furthermore, Stanford draws more students from California alone than NU does from the entire Midwest. California has a large population, to be sure, but drawing 46% of your undergrads from one state is a rather dubious procedure.</p>
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<p>Tell that to Sam Lee…</p>
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<p>But Stanford has a stronger athletic tradition, so how is it possible that Northwestern “arguably has equal or more (name) recognition as Stanford”???</p>
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Stanford is indeed an athletic powerhouse and is arguably the best combination of academics and sports to be found anywhere. Most of its sports teams, except football, lack popular following, however. (One poster put it rather distastefully as Stanford performing well in the “sports that don’t matter.”) </p>
<p>While Northwestern lacks the football tradition of Stanford and some of its midwestern neighbors, it benefits in recognition from being in the Big 10.</p>
<p>The Fulbright Program is the flagship international educational exchange program sponsored by the U.S. government and is designed to increase mutual understanding between the people of the United States and the people of other countries. </p>
<p>2009-2010 Top Producers of Fulbright Students <a href=“http://www.cies.org/download/Top_Fulbright_Producing_Schools_Stories.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cies.org/download/Top_Fulbright_Producing_Schools_Stories.pdf</a> </p>
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<p>Northwestern U. 32
U. of Chicago 31
Brown U. 29
Stanford U. 28
U. of Michigan at Ann Arbor 28
Yale U. 25
Columbia U. 23
George Washington U. 23
Harvard U. 23
Boston College 21
Arizona State U. at Tempe 18
Princeton U 18
U. of California at Berkeley 18
U. of Pennsylvania 18
Indiana U. at Bloomington 14
U. of Minnesota-Twin Cities 14
U. of Wisconsin at Madison 14
Fordham U. 13
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 13
Cornell U. 12
U. of Washington 12
Duke U. 11
U. of Arizona 11
U. of North Carolina
at Chapel Hill 11
of Texas at Austin 11</p>
<p>LACs</p>
<p>Pomona College 15
Smith College 14
Pitzer College 12
Kenyon College11
Oberlin College 10
Swarthmore College 10
Vassar College 10
Scripps College 9
Wellesley College 9
New College of Florida 8
Barnard College 7
Grinnell College 7
Kalamazoo College 7
Bowdoin College 6
Occidental College 6
U. of Richmond 6
Wheaton College (Mass.) 6
Williams College 6
Amherst College 5
Denison U. 5
Trinity College (Conn.) 5</p>
<p>Northwestern looks pretty good in this comparison. Top LACs look good too, especially if you consider awards per capita.</p>
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<p>The fact that Northwestern does better than HYPS (MIT students are usually not interested in this sort of thing) in the Fulbrights should tell you something about the prestige (or lack thereof) of this award.</p>
<p>IMHO, Rhodes >>>>> Fulbright
Marshall >>> Fulbright
Daytime Emmys > Fulbright</p>