<p>Thank you. Monstor----I guess those could be considered the “recruited walk-ons”.</p>
<p>I know someone who was being recruited by several ivies for football and he said that he was essentially admitted without even filling out an application. He said that he only had to fill out the basic information on an application to the school he committed to inorder to make it ‘official,’ but he didn’t have to do an essay for it and they told him that he only had to take SAT II’s for formality.</p>
<p>Do all recruited athletes get official visits?</p>
<p>yes, all real recruited athletes are offered official visits.</p>
<p>ftball: I know an athlete who was a world champion 5 years ago as a junior and recruited to HYPS etc. wrote his essay by hand, one draft, including spelling errors. REJECTED. standing there with NO school in April because he “thought” he was a world champion and his app didn’t matter. top schools require well completed applications.</p>
<p>^^ Amen to that.
These urban myths about kids who didn’t have to do an app etc is just baloney…</p>
<p>For example of the ivies–several I know require the entire app to be completed by the athlete the summer after Jr yr (if being recruited) and the AdCom will not look at it–if its not complete–transcripts, SATS, recs, essays etc…ALL DONE. no shortcuts…this if from the coach advising our student.</p>
<p>“These urban myths about kids who didn’t have to do an app etc is just baloney…”</p>
<p>I just saw it happen this year, ha.</p>
<p>^^not to hyps or any other top 20 school. you’re making it up. not even 1 year college intention nba bound b-ball players can get away with that. they have to put a lot of effort in, or they’ll be rejected.</p>
<p>^ Not HYPS, but I know Vandy for some sports is OK with kids doing this (did not make this up ;)). Not surprised; I think one of their athletic commits in one of these sports is now going to go instead to a junior/community college because his grades went below the appropriate threshold. It’s surprising, the recruits some of these very academically prestigious schools will pick up. Of course, that’s not to detract from your message; I 100% agree that full effort should be made on the app.</p>
<p>I believe it was Dartmouth. He decided not to go there, but if he had then he would have had to fill out the application just for formality.</p>
<p>wrong again.</p>
<p>i know dartmouth well. you go light on their app and you’ll be shown the door. they want respectful hard working students, period. you can’t impress the dartmouth board with your fb pass or jump shot. </p>
<p>they don.t need a winning b-ball team like butler to attract students</p>
<p>pacheight how do you know? have you been directly through this process? This year my friend went through this process with Dartmouth. So i know from a first hand account</p>
<p>pacheight…I do know of one athlete who got into an Ivy with 900/1600 on the SAT’s (this was on the third attempt). No subject tests. This was back in 2003 - he was a friend of my older son. Same school also took my daughter’s teammate after the app deadline had passed. This girl was a pretty mediocre student - but an olympian. Not HYP—but still an Ivy.</p>
<p>yes, i just went through it with my daughter.
what is not true is the statement that all you need is a “basic” app and no essay. that’s not true at top 20 schools including dartmouth. </p>
<p>are there athletes in football and basketball at duke and stanford and other top schools that have lower stats, yes…but they had to complete an application including essay and do it well. there’s no wink and a nod and you’re in at these schools.</p>
<p>now at Cal or Florida or washington state and similar football schools i think you can slide on the app more</p>
<p>kelyme: my daughter was past deadline, she was flown around the country to ivy’s as well as non-ivy top sports schools. all top 20 usnwr, most top 10. and in the end only filled out 1 application…which is what most top recruits do. 1 committment, 1 school, 1 app.</p>
<p>But the app was no joke. and had she quickly written her essay in pencil with spelling errors, and done a “basic” app effort she would have been rejected. </p>
<p>kids who tell you they are such great athletes they just had to do a basic app to get into harvard are BSing you.</p>
<p>I concur with pacheight. On one recruiting visit, D met the top track athlete in his event in the country. He was being recruited by elite schools, including two of the HYPS group. One Ivy coach told him he needed to postpone his recruiting visit to a different school because the visit fell on the last possible SATII testing day and he wasn’t going to be able to get into the Ivy without taking those tests. I really doubt there’s an expedited process even for the best. Maybe, just maybe, in football or basketball, but I’m not even sure about that.</p>
<p>The weight that admissions carries during the Ivy recruiting process is lost on most people. The coach will submit the candidates he would like admissions to consider for a Likely, but admissions absolutely has the final say. And nothing is going to pi** off admissions more than a recruit who is so arrogant that he can’t be bothered to complete the essay.</p>
<p>“One Ivy coach told him he needed to postpone his recruiting visit to a different school because the visit fell on the last possible SATII testing day and he wasn’t going to be able to get into the Ivy without taking those tests.”</p>
<p>The guy I know had to take SATII test’s just for formality since it was an admission requirement, the scores didn’t really matter. Maybe he would have had to write an essay, but the quality of it would not have mattered.</p>
<p>Also I think it depends on the sport. For example in sports such as football and basketball it is hard to find the quantity of really smart athletes that you find in sports such as swimming and track. I am only really familiar with recruiting for football, and I’m sure grades and tests scores are more important in recruiting for other sports.</p>
<p>Nick Sanchez could throw almost as well as his brother Mark, both had to write essays, very good essays. And if USC made Mark write a good essay you can bet Yale required Nick to…now maybe your buddy is a more valuable football player than the Sanchez brothers and HYPS let him slide on the essay and SAT II score or maybe he’s telling you a line of bull.</p>
<p>ADMISSIONS accepts athletes at all the elite schools, and to use your words they find a “quantity of really smart athletes” by requiring fully completed applications, high stats, and well written essays, that’s how they know if they’re smart! that’s how they find them!</p>
<p>btw: After Sanchez started as QB for Yale he went to Gould law school at USC, and I’m sure they required him to take the LSAT and fill out an application, before he was admitted:)</p>
<p>I can see where ftballswim is coming from because, as I posted earlier, the two recruited athletes I knew were not outstanding students…my son’s friend needed three attempts to get a 900 on his SAT for his Ivy admission. The one disclaimer here is that this person’s native language was not English. Also, my son’s school is known for having early verbals to Ivies in basketball. This year they had the earliest verbal ever…a junior in October. Had not even taken his formal PSAT yet (just practice in September). He is a good friend of my younger son who says he is an average student. Based on this school’s track record of sending basketball players to Ivies…and they are always announced early - before likely letter time - in the press, I have no doubt he will be admitted. I am not saying he will be able to forego testing and essays, but I do think there is a grain of truth to what ftballswim is hinting at, but only in certain sports. (Although, my daughter’s teammate was a very borderline student, yet she was able to gain admission to an Ivy at the very last minute. Full pay, big $$$ from parents, Olympian)</p>
<p>keylyme, I always wonder how happy these students could possibly be at an Ivy. I don’t think the classes are “harder” than classes most other places, but all the other kids in the classroom are definitely smarter than average. It just seems like whatever might be gained by the Ivy stamp on the diploma, and the endless list of wonderful opportunities available at these schools might be overshadowed by a neverending sick feeling of just not being able to hack it academically. If I thought my kid would feel inferior intellectually, I’d look for a better academic fit that would also be a match athletically.</p>