<p>I have been to A&M and UT and I hope to attend UT (McCombs) I would say that UT is better because at A&M the only black ppl I saw were the basketball team and one girl, A&M seemed really rascist type feel and that comes from a republican black who is occasionally the only black boy in classes. As far as the admission the 10% rule does mean that lower high schools are admitted but that is just to increase diversity. I attend a pretty affulent school and nearly everyone in the top 10% goes to UT or A&M. Even some of the top ten people.</p>
<p>My statements about business are from personal experience with Fortune Top Ten companies (particularly IBM, for whom my mom works, and Exxon Mobil). They say they'd rather someone have a strong undergrad background and an MBA from a great school than just a BBA. If you're going into a specific field such as accounting, it might be different.</p>
<p>And yes, the public school curriculum is a joke, but ALL students have to meet the same requirements statewide. If a kid is doing the absolute best he can with the curriculum he's been given, then yes, he deserves a chance at UT. An HP or Plano student might be better prepared, but they have had a better background. I do think that top ten should be restricted to top 6 or so, so there are more places for out-of-state and non-top ten students, but inner-city and rural lawmakers will never make this happen.</p>
<p>I have been to A&M, and it's my personal opinion there is much more to do in Austin that would interest 18-22 year olds. To each his own.</p>
<p>theloneranger:</p>
<p>Your thoughtful comments are always appreciated.</p>
<p>Dbate:</p>
<p>Your comment about A&M being racist is inline with an observation made by one Sociology Professor who teaches there.</p>
<p>The</a> Blotter: Gates' Unfinished Business: Racism at Texas A&M</p>
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i've been to both a&m (dozens of my relatives have or are going there) and i go to UT and there is definitely more of a variety of things to do in austin, not necessarily more amount, depends how you look at it.
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<p>Agreed with you here. It really depends on what kind of person you are.</p>
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and all i can say about comparing the two schools, you always hear of people going to a&m because they couldn't get into UT or a certain school at UT, but you never hear about anyone going to UT because they couldn't get into a&m.
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<p>I have NEVER heard anyone say that they went to A&M because they couldn't get into UT. The admission standards for both schools are neck-and-neck. Besides, if someone's heart is set on UT I have a hard time believing that they would be able to put up with the environment at A&M.</p>
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What's there to do at A&M?
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<p>Just about anything you can imagine doing in a college town. I mean, unless you have some really specific hobbies like rock climbing or something, you're not going to get bored at A&M if you don't want to get bored. I knew so many people there that I could've went to a house party every night if I wanted to.</p>
<p>There's also a LOT of campus activities like Yell Practice and such.</p>
<p>Dbate, you have got to be one of the biggest idiots on this board.</p>
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at A&M the only black ppl I saw were the basketball team and one girl, A&M seemed really rascist type feel
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<p>Maybe because most blacks in Texas do not live in rural settings therefore they do not want to go to school in a rural area like A&M? Ever thought of that? I doubt it. In fact, I hardly see any blacks at UT either.</p>
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My statements about business are from personal experience with Fortune Top Ten companies
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<p>Considering that the majority of people in Texas do NOT work for Fortune Top Ten companies, your experience has little basis. Personally, I didn't get a BBA because like you, I do think it's a silly degree if you can get a MBA later on. But as far as calling the BBA worthless, that's ridiculous.</p>
<p>BBA graduates are not starving in Texas, plain and simple. You'd have to really try hard not to be able to get a job in Texas with a BBA from UT or A&M. They are the best degrees to get if you want a decent job right out of college.</p>
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They say they'd rather someone have a strong undergrad background and an MBA from a great school than just a BBA.
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<p>We're talking about right out of school, not MBA positions. Besides, you can get a MBA on top of a BBA so what's the point of saying the BBA is ridiculous?</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm not a fan of the BBA but I don't think it's a bad degree.</p>
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but ALL students have to meet the same requirements statewide
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<p>Nope, wrong there. Teachers are different and high schools are different. For example, Texas law requires that every college kid take history and government, but you can't tell me that those classes at UT are easier than community college classes. Same thing with Texas high schools. Some of these kids who finished in the top 5 of their BFE high school class would probably struggle to stay in the top 10% of a competitive high school in some Dallas suburb.</p>
<p>The cirriculum might be the same but the standards and competitiveness is not. </p>
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An HP or Plano student might be better prepared, but they have had a better background.
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<p>Total BS. I've known rich families out in no where and I've known working-class families from Plano. Don't make generalizations like that.</p>
<p>I came from a rough background myself and I was doing better in freshman classes than the top-of-their-HS-class kids who came from "better prepared" backgrounds.</p>
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I have been to A&M, and it's my personal opinion there is much more to do in Austin that would interest 18-22 year olds.
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<p>Oh really, then how come A&M and UT have close to the same student population? Majority of 18-22 year olds I've known (and I knew A LOT) drunk more than anything and you can do that at A&M.</p>
<p>kwyml, I think it's funny how this professor complaints about racism at Texas A&M.</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is that a black person can go to just about any white neighborhood in the United States and still feel relatively good about his safety. On the other hand, a white person can go to any black neighborhood in the United States and has to be on his guard to keep from getting mugged or killed.</p>
<p>So I think it's the other way around. Per FBI statistics and per capita, blacks commit more violent crimes against whites than vice versa. So what race are most of the racists coming from? Not the whites. If you don't believe me just travel to any of these neighborhoods anywhere and see for yourself.</p>
<p>I get tired of some blacks always complaining about racism when they don't have to lock their doors when driving in someone else's neighborhood.</p>
<p>by background, i meant academic, formidable.</p>
<p>But yes, there are some working class people in Plano (particularly on the east side), and there are some fabulously wealthy people in rural areas (namely former Governor Bush of Crawford).</p>
<p>And A&M has slightly lower standards than UT. They accept fewer top ten students (and have a lower yield for those students). You can also be accepted automatically if you are top quarter and have a 1250, while at Texas you can't. A&M tends to draw more rural students (while not entirely) whereas UT gets more urban and suburban students (though again, not exclusively). That being said, the top of the student body at UT and A&M are similarly well prepared and high achieving--A&M just has more leeway to take middle-level students.</p>
<p>Formidable the conception that you have to lock your cars is ridiculous I am black and have never committed a crime if you look at the probablity of crime based on socioeconomic status you would see that there is a high probabilty of a poor white person to commit a crime as well, and sadly there are more blacks in low income brackets which reflects the perception that crime is a means to escape. that is not an excuse but don't make idiotic rascist statements based on statistics with out comparative analysis.</p>
<p>In terms of the number of blacks at A&M and UT they are probably about the same, the only thing is that UT is in Austin so there are more blacks in the city. A&M just seems like a segregated environment partially probably bc A&M is more conservative and do not fully condone racial interaction or possibly bc in rural areas ppl are more exposed to homogenous environments and so tend that way.</p>
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I have NEVER heard anyone say that they went to A&M because they couldn't get into UT
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<p>Purely anecdotal, but I have. KC, sister of two UT brothers is at A&M because she didn't get accepted at UT; BD, great guy, good basketball player, is at A&M because he didn't get into Texas; MS, kind of a goof ball, but a neat kid, is at A&M but hoped for Texas; and, unfortunately, my nephew, accepted to A&M, capped at Texas, wanted to wear burnt orange so badly, but it wasn't to be, now it is interesting around the table around Thanksgiving. I could go on, but won't...</p>
<p>I will say that these kids are all VERY happy at A&M now. A&M has become much more like UT in terms of the kinds of kids that go there now, the greek scene is bigger, the town is getting a bit more diverse, there is much more to do - more restaurants, shopping, clubs - it used the be the Dixie Chicken or nothing! </p>
<p>There is much more variety and activity, and you can always go to Houston or Austin for the weekend!</p>
<p>//Fact of the matter is that a black person can go to just about any white neighborhood in the United States and still feel relatively good about his safety.//</p>
<p>What is fact? & what is perception? are you the black person who feels relatively good about his safety in a white neighborhood? if you're not that black person, how do you know that he feels safe? you said you're talking about fact, so show me the fact.</p>
<p>//...So what race are most of the racists coming from? Not the whites.//</p>
<p>you must have forgotten the circumstances under which blacks were brought into this country & how they were treated for hundreds of years. Are those not racist/violent criminal acts?</p>
<p>My neighbor's 2 kids both go to A&M & they said they are very happy. Their father said that it was her younger kid's safety school. </p>
<p>As much as my daughter likes the novelty of purple carrots, & the generous aids package for people with National Merit status, she decided A&M is not for her because:</p>
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<li>the bonfire culture is not in line with her belief of a "green living".</li>
<li>concerns about racism reported by the media.</li>
<li>Austin is green.</li>
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<p>No free parking on campus, and if you do park somewhere you're not allowed to, count on getting a ticket within five minutes. </p>
<p>Some of the buildings are old and the air conditioners don't work very well. Some of the buildings are ugly. </p>
<p>Campus is HUGE. It can take 30 minutes to walk from one point on campus to another, so if you have two classes in a row scheduled far apart, good luck to you. And hoofing it double-time in 90 degree heat isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. </p>
<p>Shuttle buses (for those who are in the situation described above) can be insanely crowded, and sometimes if they're full, the drivers won't stop because there's no room for you to get on. This is especially true for the West Campus bus in the morning, when everyone is trying to get to campus. </p>
<p>As far as I know, there aren't any places to eat on the east side of campus, around the music/art buildings. </p>
<p>Homeless people on Guadalupe are obnoxious. </p>
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<p>Only someone who has never been to a city with actual good public transportation would say this. ;) Buses can get you where you need to go, but they're pretty sketchy, and no one I knew took them on a regular basis. Everyone had cars. </p>
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I have NEVER heard anyone say that they went to A&M because they couldn't get into UT. The admission standards for both schools are neck-and-neck.
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<p>I have.</p>
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1. the bonfire culture is not in line with her belief of a "green living".
2. concerns about racism reported by the media.
3. Austin is green.
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<p>These are really, really ridiculous reasons. If she wanted to go to UT because she's a better fit, that's cool, but to come up with these reasons? Totally inexperienced with the world obviously.</p>
<p>I'm not quite sure what she means by the "Bonfire culture." That was just one event at A&M out of many. Besides, wouldn't all the pot smoking that goes on in Austin also go against "green living?"</p>
<p>Racism reported by the media? The media is more interested in coming up with stories with enough shock value to sell advertisements. There in the business for a profit, not exactly to tell the exact truth. The whole purpose of a college education is to be able to analyze things on your own without taking what the media says at face value. I haven't found A&M to be any more racist (whatever that means) than UT. I've seen just as many white faces at UT.</p>
<p>The rest of Texas is also green except for the Panhandle.</p>
<p>From her nature it sounds like she would be a better fit for UT but gosh, she doesn't need to many line-item reasons which hardly make any sense.</p>
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Some of the buildings are old and the air conditioners don't work very well. Some of the buildings are ugly.
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<p>In all honesty, this was one of the primary reasons I decided not to go to UT. Some of the buildings just seem like high school buildings, if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>UTSenior, who did you hear that went to A&M because they couldn't go into UT? What majors? Were they able to pick the exact same major at A&M that they couldn't get into at UT? Only thing I can think of is that UT requires calculus for their business program.</p>
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What is fact? & what is perception? are you the black person who feels relatively good about his safety in a white neighborhood? if you're not that black person, how do you know that he feels safe? you said you're talking about fact, so show me the fact.
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<p>There's a big difference between feeling safe and being safe. A black man is much safer in a white neighborhood than a white man is in a black neighborhood. That's a fact no matter where you go in America and there's no way you can dispute it; the crime data and demographics are on my side.</p>
<p>Why don't you go look up the facts for yourself? Check out the FBI crime statistics on their web site. You'll find that per capita, more crime is committed by blacks against whites than vice versa. Remember though that the FBI tends to group Hispanics in with the whites, so if you remove the Hispanics, it's really, really obvious that the whites are more commonly the victims.</p>
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you must have forgotten the circumstances under which blacks were brought into this country & how they were treated for hundreds of years. Are those not racist/violent criminal acts?
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<p>And you're forgetting the fact that the Irish were treated just as badly. Go read up some history books if you don't believe me. A good friend of mine is Irish on both sides of the family and did he commit crimes because his ancestors were treated badly? Nope. He got a college degree, worked like anyone else, and put his daughter through college.</p>
<p>My ancestors were dirt poor and I'm sure they were also treated badly at times. Does that mean I'm going to go out and carjack someone? Nope.</p>
<p>It's totally illogical that you are excusing violent crime that's happening today based on what happened 300 years ago. In fact, Africans were killing each other and treating each other badly thousands of years before white men encountered them.</p>
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KC, sister of two UT brothers is at A&M because she didn't get accepted at UT; BD, great guy, good basketball player, is at A&M because he didn't get into Texas; MS, kind of a goof ball, but a neat kid, is at A&M but hoped for Texas; and, unfortunately, my nephew, accepted to A&M, capped at Texas, wanted to wear burnt orange so badly, but it wasn't to be, now it is interesting around the table around Thanksgiving. I could go on, but won't...
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<p>Majors, please. </p>
<p>If he was capped at UT how is that not getting into UT? He would have gotten into UT within two years. More and more students are getting capped because UT is trying to put a cap on the student population, not because their academics are lacking.</p>
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<p>What the hell is this supposed to mean? Just because College Station is rural you expect the residents there to be drawing racial lines?</p>
<p>Have you ever considered that blacks simply prefer urban environments? Austin is an urban environment whereas College Station is not. So it makes sense that Austin would have more blacks.</p>
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Majors, please.
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<p>KC - undeclared liberal arts; BD - economics (may transfer into business); MS - don't know for sure, haven't seen him over the break, but I know he tried the "back door" into UT, education, and got capped; my nephew - applied liberal arts but hoped to transfer into communications.</p>
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If he was capped at UT how is that not getting into UT? He would have gotten into UT within two years
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<p>He wanted to have a true 4 year college experience, not start out at UT San Antonio, or other UT satellite college, then transfer. He is happy at A&M now, pledged a great fraternity, and has many friends from high school attending with him. and has made a bunch of new friends. My point is that A&M is not the "hick" school that it was reputed to be back in my college days. </p>
<p>I only know of one of my son's friends from his school who opted for CAP, she is in San Antonio now and working her hiney off to get the GPA she needs to get into Austin sophomore year. It was worth it to her to spend the year in SA, but I know she hoofs it to Austin almost every weekend!</p>
<p>Kwyml: I don't know much about the Biology program, except it is one of the most popular majors and many undergrads major in it. And I think Mac is okay, especially since the computers at PlanII Honors do use Mac.
And about racism, we can all agree that Texas A&M is more conservative politically, right??? (which implies less tolerant of "other" political views) Have you seen a gay rights parade at A&M??</p>
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I have been to A&M and UT and I hope to attend UT (McCombs) I would say that UT is better because at A&M the only black ppl I saw were the basketball team and one girl, A&M seemed really rascist type feel and that comes from a republican black who is occasionally the only black boy in classes.
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<p>The percentages of black students at UT and A&M are virtually the same: 3.9% and 3.0%, respectively. </p>
<p>Source:
UT</a> Austin - Office of Information Management and Analysis
OISP</a> - Reports</p>
<p>Also, for a school with a really racist type feel, what are your thoughts on A&M recently naming the first minority President of a major flagship university in the history of the state? </p>
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Dbate:</p>
<p>Your comment about A&M being racist is inline with an observation made by one Sociology Professor who teaches there.</p>
<p>The Blotter: Gates' Unfinished Business: Racism at Texas A&M
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<p>kwyml, no college campus is immune to a few racist morons. Even UT:</p>
<p>Dean</a> chides students over âghettoâ party - Criminal weirdness - MSNBC.com</p>
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And A&M has slightly lower standards than UT. They accept fewer top ten students (and have a lower yield for those students). You can also be accepted automatically if you are top quarter and have a 1250, while at Texas you can't.
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<p>theloneranger, yes A&M may have this auto admit rule, but if you think UT is turning away kids in droves who are in the top quarter with a 1250 you are kidding yourself. </p>
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As much as my daughter likes the novelty of purple carrots, & the generous aids package for people with National Merit status, she decided A&M is not for her because:</p>
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<li>the bonfire culture is not in line with her belief of a "green living".</li>
<li>concerns about racism reported by the media.</li>
<li>Austin is green.
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<p>kwyml, just out of curiosity, what was your daughters take on Aggie Replant (Texas</a> Aggie Replant | Home)? Or the Environmental Issue Committee (Environmental</a> Issues Committee - Texas A&M University? Also, is (was) your daughter concerned about campus racism reported by the media at UT and virtually every other school around the country, or just at A&M?</p>
<p>Formidable,</p>
<p>I know a ton of people who could not get into UT so they opted to go to A&M. To deny that people never say this is outrageous. </p>
<p>Yell Practice? The same one that yells out that Penn States coach is on his death bed? Bad sportsmaniship.</p>