I am an international applicant. I have had my all formal education in English.
I will be giving Sat with essay. Some colleges like MIT and University of Chicago state that if giving Sat with essay i don’t need TOEFl.
Can i get away with it when applying to other universities too? If not, what will happen if they don’t see TOEFL scores on my application?
links–
https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/apply/applicants/international#english-proficiency
http://mitadmissions.org/apply/international/intltests
Each college and university sets its own policies about which exams you need to take. You need to contact each place separately, and ask what they want from you.
When you write to them, use this phrasing “Which exams do I need to take, given my educational history?” Do not ask about “giving” an exam. They will know right away that you do not have perfect command of standard US English, and will wonder if maybe you need to take the TOEFL even if they don’t normally require that students in your situation do that.
Can you “get away” with not taking TOEFL? Maybe. Or you risk being rejected because your application is incomplete. It’s up to you to decide whether not taking TOEFL is worth that.
I’m not usually the grammar police, but even though English is not my first language, stuff like this drives me crazy. One “takes” or “sits for” or “writes” an exam; an instructor “gives” an exam.
This piece is absolutely correct; ask them, If the college still requires TOEFL from you, and you fail to provide it, they may consider your application incomplete.
I don’t want to batter this sentence to death, but MIT does have a writing component for all undergrads. You probably won’t be accepted if your command of the English language is less than ideal. But yes, you *take/i an exam, and the instructor gives it.
It’s a regionalism, for Pete’s sake! And not to be bitter about it, but I’ve gotten “Please confine your responses to the topic at hand” for talking about that before.
‘Give’ v ‘Take’ is not a regionalism. “Amn’t” is a regionalism: grammatically correct but used only in particular regions (in this case, Ireland). However, in English the person who administers the test gives it to the person who takes the test. For the person being tested, it is incorrect to say that they are ‘giving’ the exam.
For a non-native speaker who is hoping to get into top tier universities in the US without taking the TOEFL, knowing the difference is relevant and helpful.
For the OP, you will find the same info on virtually all college websites- easiest to just check them before you apply.
Indian English apparently considers “give” and “sit” as valid things to do to an exam. British English also uses “sit,” something I’ve never heard in the US. That doesn’t make it any less correct.
Thousands of Indian students apply for and attend American colleges every year. I’m sure admissions officers, at this point, can figure out that they use different words like “jumper” instead of “sweater” and “give an exam” instead of “take an exam.”
Edited to add: I forgot “write an exam.” I actually looked it up just now and happened upon a forum of people debating this where an English-speaker said “taking an exam” sounded utterly wrong to them. I believe this is what my linguistics prof would call una regla prescriptiva…
Jumper / Sweater and Sit / Take are great examples of regionalisms!
…but Give / Take is still just wrong. [Here](http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-educationplus/whats-the-difference-between-i-am-giving-an-exam-and-im-taking-an-exam/article3211509.ece) is The Hindu on the subject. [This](http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/58416/is-give-an-exam-grammatical-for-writing-the-answers-to-exam) source attributes it to a translation issue:
Here in india, Everyone I come across uses the phrase ’ giving an exam’ , even the teachers. Anyways thank you guys from now i will ’ give’ an exam.
You mean take the exam, right?
But don’t worry too much; it happens to all language learners. I am currently studying Chinese and I still sometimes have a hard time with certain sentence patterns and such. But remember if you want to study at the top US universities, you’ll need a good command of English.
@MITer94 AHHHH!!! Due to confusion i wrote ‘give’ i meant ‘take’. lol i am sorry
Most English speaking universities require toefl especially for international students or maybe just search on their requirements and standards.
it isn’t really true that TOEFL is a MUST … many colleges waive TOEFL if you have a certain minimum on the SAT (reading) or ACT (eng).