If the total class size is 580 and there are 181 pre-admits and 473 regular admits, does that mean that about 74 pre-admits didn’t meet GPA requirements or did not enroll for some other reason? That would be a 40% loss rate for pre-admits.
Preferred Admission–Freshman
Preferred Admission offers exceptional high-school seniors a place in the Ross BBA Program, provided they meet a few requirements during their freshman year at Michigan. Preferred Admission is highly selective.
3.89 Average High School GPA
3.7-4.0 Middle 80% High School GPA
1480 Average SAT (Math & Verbal)
33 Average ACT
38% Women
8% International
14% Underrepresented Minorities
2,480 Number of Applicants
389 Number Admitted
181 Number Attended
46% In-State Attending
Figures are for students earning Preferred Admission in 2015
Just read this entire thread. I’m not sure what to make of it. My daughter is a current junior at Ross and did not apply for Preferred Admission. The route she took was probably the most common one. She studied very hard Freshman year (3.7 gpa), joined various groups and clubs, wrote some kick ass essays and applied to Ross with no guarantee that she would be admitted. She assumed a leadership role in one of the clubs she joined. She also rushed a sorority and knows many students who are in Greek Life who are also in Ross. She set up an internship for the summer between Freshman and Sophomore year before the March 31 deadline so she could list it on her application. She researched classes at Ross that she thought she might want to take and wrote about them in her essays. She did not join a business frat and she had no benevolent benefactor to grease any palms. She is OSS and we pay full freight. With all that being said, she knew there was a strong possibility that should would not get in. She had a backup and was fully prepared to move on to something else if Ross didn’t work out. Also, she did chuckle when I asked her if the pre-admits were considered “Golden Children” at Ross. She said she has no idea who was a pre-admit and who wasn’t, they are all too busy trying to keep running on the hamster wheel to be concerned with that
OOS students generally need higher stats to get into Muchigan vs in-state students. So it seems logical that they may be the stronger students as frosh, and therefore may do better in the Ross application process at the end of freshman year. Also, the comment above about sharing recruiting resources with the MBAs is spot on – BBAs do benefit, but I also remember that the MBAs had more interview schedules with the same companies, and some schedules/companies weren’t open to the BBAs at all.
SoCal321 - I think that the 181 pre admit numbers that earned admission in 2015 don’t actually start at Ross until the following year since they officially start Ross at the beginning of sophomore year. That is the confusing part of the data since you get in pre admit but don’t formally transfer to Ross until start of sophomore year. So those 181 wouldn’t start Ross until Fall, 2016. The regular admit group would start Ross Fall, 2015. They should make that more clear when they publish the data.
@need_coffee You are probably correct. 40% attrition doesn’t seem realistic.
But then it begs the question: What about next year? Ross normally pre-admits 100 - 125 students. With 181 pre-admits will they increase class size above 580 or reduce the number of regular admits?
Did anyone answer the out of state vs. in state ratios? Also, it would be interested to look at the average GPA by women vs. men? I know of one guy who did not get in that had almost a 4.0. Lots of the leadership stuff students do is to just put it down and really light in the accomplishment area. So, they are great resume padders–congrats. Visiting kids at Mott would be more impressive than being head of some club that only meets once. Please do not be too impressed with yourselves.
You are awfully impressed with yourself from what I can tell… you clearly think you were more qualified than the students who got admitted. Seriously… you need to start working on your transfer apps instead of railing about not getting admitted and who actually did get admitted. If you MUST be a business major and didn’t get in, then Michigan isn’t the place for you. You need to go find a school where you can get into the major you want.
Wow, Jen. So condescending. And by your log in it looks like you’ll be graduating in a few months. You should be a peach to work with at your first job. I’m sure your future co-workers will just love your attitude. Cause everything is fair and square out here in the real world, no one every gets promoted when then shouldn’t and nepotism is a thing of past. Good luck.
Ok, why are people joining College Confidential today to add to the discussion? Seems fishy. Nothing better to do that talk about not getting into Ross and trash me. Bluefor2 if you are a Ross student than I think you forgot to take the class on Positive Leadership and I pitty the person that would work for you if you make it that far.
I was in no way taking away from the people that got in-congratulations. I am just saying I know kids who hire people to write essays for people for $$ and the leadership stuff isn’t always sincere—if this is not true, than I am the bad person for saying it. The wealthier people at Michigan can afford tutors for every subject and get their papers proofed by professionals. Yes, there are many kids who are the “real deal” and have great grades, wrote their own essays, and had legitimate leadership experiences. I also know kids who are barely making it in Ross too.
The entire point is Ross should expand the number of spots they offer and be more involved with a Plan B for the roughly 1750 students that do not get in have a choice.
I am a parent Jen, not a student (which I clearly stated in my first post). I joined CC today not to comment on the Ross discussion, but because I had questions regarding my HS senior who will also be attending Michigan in the fall. I happened upon a current discussion. Again, please check your assumptions at the door. Not everyone has private tutors or had others write their essays. Not everyone who got into Ross is a fraud. You are making very serious allegations about a group of students. I find it a little baffling that you are having trouble moving on. Your stance on expanding the number of Ross spots is worth considering, but attacking current students and their achievements just undermines your arguments.
All of the Ross rejects that I know (myself included) ended up majoring in Econ. It’s the next closest thing to Ross. A much harder subject to do well in, but the people are much more down to earth than Ross kids.
The bad stigma around them really is true. It’s a real shame.
My friend wanted to transfer but it is July when she found so she missed transfer deadline since most applications were due for Fall the previous Oct. Also, transferring is not as easy as you may think. A lot of schools do not take a ton to transfers. If you want to go to a little bit less competitive school, there is still a wait of at least 6 months. A lot less competitive school you probably could transfer in for the Fall. Plus, most people have signed housing contracts for the year, so…you are kind of stuck. Transferring is not as easy as you may think.
@brantly , a few of us looked into Organizational Studies but none of us ended up applying. I didn’t really understand what the school was supposed to teach. It seems like maybe personalized training to become an HR assistant or something. Econ seemed more interesting to me and looked like more of a broad area of study.
Yeah I’m speaking about the stigma around Ross kids. There’s a really nasty reputation associated with them. They’re known to be the kids with rich parents who don’t want to work, but will crap on any major outside of Ross. Of course this isn’t everyone in Ross, but I would say it’s a majority.
@markcal22 , transfer colleges completely? I haven’t met anyone who has transferred for any reason once they got in. One kid flunked out, but everyone else I met freshman year is still here. Including all the kids who didn’t get into Ross.
Because calling Ross students “stuck up idiots” as a group is so useful as well. At least I have been through the Ross degree process, and spent a few years in a classroom with Ross students. You are on the outside with limited exposure and a bad taste in your mouth from being rejected. If you read my earlier posts, I actually agree with those who say that Ross ought to take the full class from pre-admits, with conditions on grades on the required frosh year classes. And also that anyone who feels they MUST major in a business concentration, but isn’t a preadmit, should pick another university.
@HRSMom , and I think you missed learning to read. Nowhere did I use the word “all”, in fact I deliberately used the word majority to avoid people having thoughts like you are having.
And from the interaction so far, Int does seem like a stuck up idiot.
They came into a thread and instead of helping, they tried to belittle someone who they have never talked to before. And on the internet to make matters better. Especially since int is presumably fairly older. You can expect trolling from younger kids, but for an adult to do such things is usually frowned upon, no?
Instead of offering their side and experience, which could be very helpful to students considering Ross, they come off as exactly the person I have described above.
You have had some very valuable insight in this thread. That I agree. However your post towards me was utterly useless.
Especially because your experience was/is vastly different than the way Ross is today. (Presuming based on 20,000 posts and the content of the posts I’ve read, that you’ve been posting for many years after graduation).
Someone asked me to explain the stigma, so I did. That is helpful knowledge. Kids who aspire to be in Ross should want to know as much about the program as they can. And the stigma is a HUGE part. And for someone to flat out deny there being a stigma, is just outright silly.
There is no bad taste in my mouth. Ross in itself is an EXCELLENT program. Especially with the career center and job opportunities afterwards. If I had gotten in, I probably would have accepted it. But either way, my points about the types of people who make up the majority of Ross still stand.
I am a parent of college students now. CC didn’t exist (nor for that matter did “pre-admit” – we all took our chances back then). But I still contend that as you are not a Ross student, you have little basis for your demeaning comments, and every incentive to be dismissive of Ross students because you are bitter about being rejected. Your assertions just come across as silly – there is no more stigma of being a Ross BBA than there is of being a business major at any other top college.
