What if kids were limited to 6 applications?

<p>CD–
Not at all intending to brag, but should mention that with stats similar to your d’s, my younger s also got into a top 20 school-- also with merit $$ (just not as much merit $$ as the school he attends). He only applied to 4 schools (WL at the other two- both in the top 30. He didnt stay on the WL). Your d’s scores and stats are VERY GOOD.</p>

<p>If your d looks outside of the NE, being from CT will be a bonus–helping to meet that geographical distribution schools like to have. Granted, CT is not ND or Montana, but still, it can be a plus for you. Tell us more about what she is looking for (size, likes/dislikes) and I am sure we can crank out a list of possibilities. What schools are on her radar already?</p>

<p>Also there are threads on this topic-- you might want to take a peek. Here they are:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767486-where-did-your-3-3-3-6-gpa-child-get.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767486-where-did-your-3-3-3-6-gpa-child-get.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767118-under-3-6-gpa-applying-top-20-parents-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767118-under-3-6-gpa-applying-top-20-parents-thread.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Forgot to mention, I believe it was fendrock whose dau, with not as strong stats but also a dancer though not majoring in it, had nice offers at College of Charleston and U of S. Carolina (the “other” USC). I think she chose USC.</p>

<p>Appreciate the help jm.</p>

<p>Didn’t mean to hijack the thread but here is some info.</p>

<p>Willing to move outside of the NE
Would probably do best in midsize school (5-10,000 undergrads). Not a deal breaker. Too small could be a problem.
Will not consider a women’s college.
Would like an academic challenge (may get bored otherwise).
Excellent writer.<br>
Possible majors: political science , IR, economics
May migrate towards law after college</p>

<p>Have been looking at school such as
Tufts, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Middlelbury as reaches
BC, USC, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh as matches
Skidmore, Lafayette, Connecticut College, Rochester, UCONN as safeties</p>

<p>I haven’t yet evaluated schools that may offer merit $.</p>

<p>cellardwellar…I don’t have enough to go on but in my view, your D has wonderful stats. Perhaps that is not looked that way in your local circle or on CC, LOL, but truthfully she has a very good profile (perhaps it doesn’t seem that way due to comparison with older D?). Context matters and you say she takes a rigorous curriculum (would her school mark “most demanding” or “very demanding”?) and has fives on AP exams! So, 3.5 doesn’t mean the same thing as the next kid’s UW 3.5. What she took and the rigor of her HS matters in interpreting that 3.5. I don’t know what percentile she is in her class. But for example, in a competitive prep high school, a competitive college will be willing to go deeper and not just take the top 5% or some such. </p>

<p>That 2200 is good enough for almost any college in the country too. </p>

<p>I don’t know your D’s entire profile or even her college selection criteria. </p>

<p>But surely some very selective colleges are in her ballpark!</p>

<p>EDIT…sorry, just cross posted and did not see your post, cellar, when I wrote mine.</p>

<p>Not sure why you need to look outside the country. You just named some very selective and very fine schools where your D stands a very decent chance based on the little you shared about her (which is not enough to go on truly).</p>

<p>Is Kenyon too small? Carleton? Grinnell? Davidson? Tulane? Miami? Emory? Rhodes? American?</p>

<p>jm:</p>

<p>Thanks for the suggestions. We may already have too many LACs on the list.<br>
Emory, Tulane are clearly on the radar screen. Vanderbilt was so far the only school we had on her list in the south. American seems like a good choice. Not sure if they have any merit aid or good need-based aid.</p>

<p>Did someone mention AU merit scholarships? Just happen to have it at my fingertips. [AU</a> Freshman Merit Scholarships | Financial Aid | American University, Washington, DC](<a href=“http://www.american.edu/financialaid/freshmanscholarships.cfm]AU”>Freshman Scholarships and Merit Awards | American University, Washington, DC)</p>

<p>And here’s a thread from last year. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/american-university/473324-merit-aid-au.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/american-university/473324-merit-aid-au.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>CD-
If your d applies for Emory scholars and makes the first cut (invited for an interview) shes guraranteed a $14K scholarship (the number is from memory, but if its not right, its close)</p>

<p>Back to original post for this thread - it’s just too darn long for me to read the whole thing - and if anyone has already suggested this then I’m sorry but I have long wished that kids could submit just 1 application and that it would be read by all colleges. Or something along those lines. A lot of kids honestly don’t know where they are a match or reach or whatever. I think they should just be able to put their credentials out there and let the schools bid for them.</p>

<p>Bid for them? Is that how it works these days? Who knew?</p>

<p>I think CW shuold apply to all the schools suggested and then deal with weeding out later after all the money, and decisions come in. Seems that has worked for many of the posters here.</p>

<p>Why even have any sort of particulars besides money and major. Seems that location shouldn’t much matter, and that the applicant should be able to adapt.</p>

<p>That is what I have learned from this thread. Just apply anywhere that looks close enough and see what plays out.</p>

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I’m sorry, but you didn’t learn any of that from this thread, because it’s what you brought to the thread in the first place.</p>

<p>No ,seriouslly, I think that you should not limit yourself. Why shouldn’t CW do what other posters did on this thread and apply to 15-20 places? It seemed to have worked, so that is the advice I would give after being part of this thread. </p>

<p>Maybe I didn’t give my girls all the chances I should have. I feel bad about that now. I did learn something here, and my advice is to do what curm and pg did. It worked for them very well, so it should work for CW.</p>

<p>I agree with Hunt.</p>

<p>sewhappy, I don’t think that has been suggested yet but I agree some form of bidding system would be nice to set up. </p>

<p>I am also surprised that nobody has brought up the National Resident Matching Program for graduate medical education, which works very well for all concerned. At least in theory, every candidate gets into the residency that is most desirable for him/her self and every program gets the most desirable residents that they can attract. This has been discussed on C.C in the past, but this thread serves as a good reminder why such a prgram would be great in college applications.</p>

<p>I haven’t read the entire thread, but here is our situation. DS is applying to 11 schools. Before this year, I would have said that was ridiculous! But after we got started looking, I changed my mind. He is bringing athletic ability and pretty good stats to the table. Each school can take a few athletes in his sport, though, and it’s really hard to tell where he stands on the coach’s list - it’s a little like a game of musical chairs - a few too many oustanding athletes for the number of spots available. We are also hoping for some merit aid, so we don’t want to leave out a school that might come through for him. I agree it’s ridiculous, though! I wish there were a better system.</p>

<p>Have you ever spent Match Day with a med school grad? I have, and it ain’t pretty. I guess it does work pretty well, though.</p>

<p>Ironically, that approach would lead to students “applying” to more schools, most likely, because the way it works is the applicant makes a list of all the programs he’d be willing to attend, in strict rank order. The programs make a similar list of everybody they’d be willing to take–in strict rank order–and then a computer algorithm matches them up. You get only one acceptance–in theory, the best place on your list that wants you–really, the best place on your list that wants you more than a bunch of others.</p>

<p>Ilovetoquilt, </p>

<p>I don’t think anyone is saying that location doesn’t matter. In selecting colleges, each candidate should establish personal selection criteria. One person’s list of criteria will not match the next person’s (and I ain’t talking qualifications here). For example, one kid may have as important criteria the setting, distance from home, size of college, school spirit and sports teams, Greek scene, diversity on campus, availability of extracurricular dance. Another person may have as their most important criteria availability of a certain major that not all colleges have, very challenging academics and selectivity, study abroad programs, internships, and size of school. Not everyone cares about the same criteria in choosing a college. For some location is very important and for others, not so. </p>

<p>As well, I don’t think you fully comprehend applying to SPECIALIZED DEGREE PROGRAMS, one example being a BFA degree in Musical Theater. This is NOT like picking a school that offers your major. It is not like doing a major in a BA degree. It is a FULL commitment to enter the program itself upon matriculation. It is not about changing majors later and deciding on majors later. It is not about only 30% of your coursework. It is an agreement to be accepted into a specific program that could entail anywhere from 65% to 85% (depending on the school) of one’s curriculum. In other words, for a BFA applicant, it is about picking the PROGRAM of primary consideration and picking the COLLEGE and all the usual selection criteria like location, etc. secondary (though it does count). </p>

<p>I will give you examples just within my own family of two kids. </p>

<p>D1: selection criteria was: a very selective and academically challenging learning environment of like minded motivated students; the availability of a BA major in Architecture since she was considering majoring in that (but not committing yet) and not all schools offer it; medium size; near a city or where you can walk to other things and other things are available off campus; either a varsity or club ski racing team (not recruited, but did do varsity team all four years of college); availability of her other EC interests (soccer club, tennis club, instrumental music, theater, dance); atmosphere on campus; in the Northeast. </p>

<p>D2: applied to specialized BFA in MT programs…selected which schools offered this degree (very small finite list do), strength of program in MT, curriculum for the MT program (balance of singing, acting, and dance), requiring some liberal arts, strength of liberal arts offerings, in the Northeast quarter of country, near a city preferably but could not be picky until she saw where she got in (acceptance rates to all her schools were in the single digits), and her first choice would be to have the BFA in MT program located within a university that itself was academically selective with strong liberal arts for the portion of her studies that would fall in that area and the types of students such schools attract. Thus, NYU/Tisch was her first choice and where she went. Being in NYC had many advantages to her in her field, I will admit. But it was not crucial that she attend college in NYC. She picked the program first, but definitely considered what school it was located within and also the location and setting. But she had to cast a net that included schools that did not match every criteria she had perfectly given the very chancy odds at the BFA in MT programs. Thus, she applied to Boston Conservatory, one of the top MT programs, but they have very few academics and that part was not ideal to her. She applied to Ithaca’s BFA in MT because it is also a top program in her field, even though the location was not appealing, the dance was weak, and she is well beyond the academic qualifications to get in there.</p>

<p>The medical residency model is really intriguing. I would be just fine allowing some computer algorithm intervention into the whole affair. Stressed seniors could put their effort into just one application and then stand back and let the system handle the rest. I like it! I guess applicants could put in parameters such as preference for LACs or research intensive universities or particular specialized majors. Likewise, schools could set test score and grade requirements. Isn’t this sort of how sports teams recruit their players?</p>

<p>I like the Questbridge process, where you fill out one extensive app and then you either do or don’t become a finalist. If you’re a finalist, then you rank up to eight colleges and then the one who you like best who likes you is the winner.</p>

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<p>You don’t just put in parameters- both parties make an actual rank order list from first to last. Nobody lists a program (or applicant) that is unacceptable to them for whatever reason. As an applicant you can put in 1, 2, 6, 12, 17, or more programs into your list. A program can list dozens- of course, in the case of colleges, the list could run into the thousands. Nobody would need to make agonizing decisions about whether they are “wasting” an application on Harvard, whether they have too many reaches or too few. Colleges would not have to worry about yield or demonstrated interest. No more “Tufts” or “WashU” syndromes. Note, colleges could still factor in extracurricular activities and preferences for URMs and legacies by simply ranking applicants accordingly. Athletes might have to be recruited outside the match, though, if a specific team needs to be formed. </p>

<p>The only tricky part in such a system would be financial aid. Students would need to be told BEFORE the match what their financial aid packages would be- and colleges would have a hard time making those committments without knowing how many of their matched students would actually be on financial aid, and how much.</p>