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<p>I think so, but I think that is just a coincidence. Probably, the “University of (State Name)” came first and became more established and thus stronger in the present day.</p>
<p>I can think of one exception; Ohio State is the flagship school of Ohio, not Ohio University. Presumably, Ohio U. is a state university too. I imagine there might be others.</p>
<p>I was under the impression that NY has a fetish about not having any one SUNY declared its “flagship.” A few years ago, I read news that perhaps Buffalo and Stony Brook would become flagships after giving a bit more oomph to each one, but that hasn’t happened yet (maybe never will). </p>
<p>Binghamton, Albany and Buffalo are larger but not necessarily “better” than other SUNY’s. Geneseo is the honors college.</p>
<p>The model in this state is to have many decentralized schools, each with a specialty. SUNYPurchase excels in performing arts, but New Paltz also offers a lot in that area, too. SUNYFredonia has the best offerings in music. For Speech Pathology, SUNYOneonta. Some students cross the state to take advantage of these special strengths, so they work like magnet schools. </p>
<p>Unbelievably, there’s no all-around SUNY in New York City, a place many students would enjoy living during their college years. But the Fashion Institute of Technology is a SUNY in Manhattan, offering some non-fabric undergrad majors – Toy Design, Illustration, Graphic Design, to name a few.</p>
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<p>Perhaps they should open one to attract all of the out-of-state students who would gladly pay SUNY out-of-state tuition to attend. After all, if so many students are willing to go into huge debt to attend NYU, there are probably even more who would attend a SUNY-NY at SUNY out-of-state prices which are a good deal lower than NYU prices.</p>
<p>IMO, there is a direct correlation with “Flagship” and “Land Grant” Universities, especially east of the Mississippi.</p>
<p>New York is a bit of an oddity because their Land Grant university is Cornell.</p>
<p>Google “list of land grant universities” and you will get all of the Flagship U’s.</p>
<p>Ha…with the prices of NYC real estate, I think it’ll be a cold day before SUNY expands it’s reach there! Besides, with the exception of FIT, NYC is CUNY territory. I don’t think the CUNY’s have the OOS draw that NYU does but then, afaik, neither SUNY nor CUNY devote much effort to marketing in that direction.</p>
<p>Interestingly, it seems that the term “flagship” was borrowed from other industries, notably the military and manufacturing/retail, and isn’t PC in academic circles:</p>
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SUNY Buffalo, Binghamton, Albany, and Stony Brook are research universities, as opposed to Geneseo which is a liberal arts college. Not saying that one or the other is better, but in terms of research and general size, the “flagship” schools should dominate. Geneseo is not a research school and is not large enough to be considered dominant.</p>
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<p>Slyvan, some of the Cunys, including Hunter, are building dorms (not new buildings). I dont think anyone not in an honors program will get in. Also, NYC does have privately owned “dorms”. They are expensive (but one has to compare total cost of attendance, obviously), and I am not certain I would recommend them to the average freshman.</p>
<p>Now I understand…thanks!!</p>
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<p>Still, given the frequency of threads about students whose dream school is NYU but they would need huge loans to attend, it seems that a theoretical SUNY-NY could generate quite a bit of revenue by setting tuition to be significantly higher than other SUNYs, but lower than NYU tuition. Would that be sufficient to make it economically viable even with the high cost of renting or buying real estate?</p>
<p>It’s based on a variety of factors - age, money/resources, prestige, size, etc. In California, it’s most definitely UC Berkeley, although many other UCs are resentful and feel “demeaned,” so they claim either that there’s no “flagship” or that there’s more than one flagship (UCLA, UCSD, the entire UC system, etc.).</p>
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<p>ucb, that probably wouldn’t fly with the NYS legislature, who sets all SUNY tuition rates systemwide. Though it’s somewhat easier to get increases in OOS rates approved, most NYers are opposed to higher rates at any SUNY and are quite vocal about it. SUNY’s Fashion Istitute of Technology, which is in the Chelsea district of Manhattan, has a tuition rate around $4K instate/$12K OOS although housing rates there are higher than the other schools.</p>
<p>As I mentioned before, CUNY is the public university system in NYC. They have a number of colleges, both 2 and 4-year schools, throughout the city (I think there are at least 5 in Manhattan). This from the cuny.edu site:</p>
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<p>City College, Baruch, and Hunter College are in Manhattan and Lehman is in the Bronx.
In addition, there are private colleges within NYC other than NYU (and Columbia). St John’s University in Queens has dorms, is less expensive, and offers lots of merit aid. The real problem is that none of these other schools has the name recognition that NYU and Columbia do, not to mention the faculty/programs.</p>
<p>OP – I had the same question:<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1128904-what-my-state-flagship-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1128904-what-my-state-flagship-school.html</a></p>
<p>You might find some of the responses helpful</p>
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<p>They’re both public (as are 10+ more including CCs), and I’d say the flagship is OSU. But Miami U (in Ohio) draws statewide and has a great, if preppy, rep. And some high stats kids prefer OU.</p>
<p>But I’d say OSU is it. There are a couple of regional OSU campuses that are much easier to get into and guarantee transfer with a minimum GPA.</p>
<p>SK8 – I think that many CuNY programs do have recognizable status – Baruch, the combined BS/MD program at CCNY. </p>
<p>Also there is SUNY Maritime in NYC. It offers an excellent program for kids interested in a military type school (many of its kids are in ROTC, but not all). All kids graduate qualified to be officers on ships (many go with commercial ships). One of its alumns was Captiain Philips of the Maersk Alabama who saved the ship and the crew in its 2009 hijacking in the Middle East. It has normal SUNY tuition, but reasonable housing costs.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with those people here who suggested that a flagship state university has to be one school, the standout one of all public universities in state.</p>
<p>While the number of schools that can be “flagships” is exceedingly small (many states have one; others have two; none that i know of have three), the term generally applies to a university with:</p>
<p> a state wide persona (not regional)</p>
<p> top flight academics</p>
<p> wide curricula</p>
<p> heavy research component</p>
<p> economic engine for the state</p>
<p> service to state</p>
<p>Why do flagships come in one’s and two’s? The main reason, IMHO, is that a number of states, generally the oldest, opened a university dedicated to the flagship role (or evolved into it) prior to the Civil War. These schools were often titled towards the liberal arts and these where professional schools like law and medicine developed.</p>
<p>with the passing of the Morril Act in 1862, land-grant universities were formed, one per state, and their charge was more in the areas of agriculture and the sciences. </p>
<p>in some states, the original state university was assigned flagship status; in other states, the land-grant university (usually starting as a college) grew in time (generally after WWII) into university status, often with a far broader curriculia, making it quite similar to the original state flagship.</p>
<p>Some of the states I would include as one flagship have the following institutions:
UIUC, UW-Madison, Ohio St, UArk, UTenn/Knox, UNL</p>
<p>Some of the states with two flagships:
Cal and UCLA (UC itself is flagship system; these two universities within it stand out in their role )
UT/Austin, A&M: definitely designated flagships by the state (which has been considering adding a third due to Texas’s size)
U-M/MSU (of the two, MSU is far more geared for students from Michigan and with law, medicine, and such a wide curricula and enrollment and other attributes (including research and a large endowment of its own, makes for a totally flagship institution; U-M is almost a cross between public and private and is part of the apex of state universities academically.
IU/Purdue (Purdue was born a university, never a college and the state of Ind has basically divided the curricula in two between the two universities)
UF/FSU: they both get to use “The” as part of their names, reflecting their status
UA/ASU
Bama/Auburn</p>
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<p>Is Texas Tech considered a flagship? I get the impression that it is growing rapidly to be one.</p>
<p>In Montana, both the University of Montana and Montana State are considered flagships. Same thing in North Dakota with UND and NDSU.</p>
<p>IIRC, both the University of Utah and Utah State are considered flagship universities, but neither of them are the largest in the state (that distinction goes to Utah Valley University).</p>
<p>Wyoming is easy–they only have one public university. 
Until a few years ago, it was the only four year college or university in the state.</p>
<p>In general, it seems that ___ State Universities seem to have had, at least historically, a focus on agricultural and technical sciences (including engineering, so don’t scoff! 
) while University of _____s have historically been more focused traditional liberal arts (often including “pure” sciences, like biology and chemistry). Not a hard and fast rule but a definite trend I’ve noticed. I think that still exists today but probably to a lesser degree.</p>
<p>This article does a good job of explaining the notion of a “flagship” public university.
[url=<a href=“http://cio.chance.berkeley.edu/chancellor/sp/flagship.htm]Flagship[/url”>http://cio.chance.berkeley.edu/chancellor/sp/flagship.htm]Flagship[/url</a>]</p>
<p>psych_, that’s a good observation, and again it goes back to the Morrill Act - many states already had a “University of X” and chose to use that money to open a new university focused on ag and engineering - they often started out called an “A&M” or the like, but as their programs became more diversified, they changed their names to reflect a broader mission.</p>
<p>Western states largely didn’t have a university system, and so used the Morrill Act to launch their flagships. Hence, U of Nevada, Idaho, Alaska, California, etc. are the land-grant and flagship for their state.</p>
<p>Several Western states have mining colleges. As I understand it, these mining colleges also were funded with land grants. However, they are not considered to be “land grant” universities as that term is commonly understood. For one thing, their land grants were not part of the Morrill Act land grants. Does anyone know anything about the origins and funding of these mining colleges as I’ve been unable to track down any information about this?</p>