<p>lol yea i agree, but still, i don't want to patronize someone who doesn't consider all people equal..</p>
<p>i sometime envy those nerdy asian kids who get 4.0 GPA and 1500+ SATs.... no offense to anyone... it's just few of my friends are true nerds(and they are azns)</p>
<p>in reply to the post about the indians being the highest minority income, where are whites in comparison? All the indians at my school have no fun, I believe that it is essential to balance work and play, which it seems unnerving to many when they witness indians becoming introverted and selfcentered when not having contact with the outside world. I have many examples of this and maybe one or two indians in my whole school (less than 30) plays a sport and even then they aren't 100% indian. WHy do people see the need to defend "nerdism" as a hard work ethic, maybe they just have nothing better to do, if I didn't play sports or instruments I would have atleast 5 + hours a day to study.</p>
<p>Whites aren't in comparison, there is no comparison between those two incomes. Yea ok all the indians have no fun...well..in the end, they will be having all the fun being successful in life..while ppl such as ureself are struggling to make two ends meet and are always in debt. "..when nopt having contact with the outside world".. i don't know what kind of world you live in..but Indians do balance work and play..do u even have any indian friends?? because what you say is completely inaccurate. While you are out playing your sports, indian kids are out working on research projects at hospitals or entering prestigous science competitions such as the one Intel sponsors..these kids are going to own Wall Street and the science/medical profession.. And you can't generalize like that, i bet u haven't talked to one indian in your life. It is the NERDS who in the end will become highly successful in their lives..."Maybe they have nothing better to do"..actually what indians are doing is preparing themselves for college and working hard so that they can accomplish their goals and go to great colleges. We think of education as the number 1 thing in life, that is the most important thing ... Now I'm not saying playing sports is a bad thing, because i am involved in sports such as golf, tennis, and basketball and i also play the sax and piano..but you generalizing and making comments like that is completely wrong.</p>
<p>The average non-hispanic white income was $44,347 last year while the average Indian income was $62,551. Asians also have the highest percentage of people who hold a Bachelors Degree (30%) and the highest percentage of people who hold Advanced degrees (19.7%). </p>
<p>The exemplified the solid work ethic and relentless determination that is present in most Asians, bigmac53.</p>
<p>Correction: this exemplifies, not the ememplified..</p>
<p>ummmmmmmm............piiiizzzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaaa</p>
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i think it's funny and i'm asian, some people just take things WAY too seriously, it could also be because i'm a twinky so im kinda white inside... i don't know
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<p>Think carefully about what you're saying. Firstly, you're saying that it's okay to slander ethnicities as long as it's funny. Secondly, you're implying that all whites are inherently racist because as you're white on the inside, it somehow justifies, or explains, your enjoyment of a thoroughly racist caricature. So not only are you oblivious to racism in pop culture, you're also prejudiced towards the nature of white people. </p>
<p>I despise A&F. By selecting an assembly of all-white models, as well as salespeople, they are promoting and exhuberantly pushing a culture of cool where the big, fit, and white are at the top, and the "others" are made to either resent them in jealousy, or strive to be like them in utter futility. If they came clean and stated that A&F is an all-white brand, then at least they're being honest (then again, so's the KKK). However, their claim to be an "all-American" brand reflects a nativist, 19th century mindset that's not only insulting, but also dangerous in these multicultural times. </p>
<p>A brand like Fubu is clearly marketed towards blacks, so some people may argue why A&F cannot be a white equivalent. After all, if blacks can monopolize an ambiguous term such as "urban", then why can't whites take the term "American"? Empowering the already empowered has a false ring to it. Perhaps if they create a white version of Fubu marketed towards the poor whites as opposed to the filthy rich WASP types (or wannabe equivalents), then I'd give them more sympathy.</p>
<p>"I despise A&F. By selecting an assembly of all-white models, as well as salespeople, they are promoting and exhuberantly pushing a culture of cool where the big, fit, and white are at the top, and the "others" are made to either resent them in jealousy, or strive to be like them in utter futility."</p>
<p>I have an A&F shopping bag with a black guy on it.</p>
<p>There is also a hispanic girl that works at the A&F store at the local mall here.</p>
<p>You ppl with all the talk that A&F supports white-supremacy have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Racism has been around since the origins of mankind, and racism will stick around until we all die. There is nothing you can do about it. Learn to live with it. While some of the asian kids in my school grumble and complain saying stuff like "I hate white kids, cuz they are a**holes." I have become friends with many of them and have gained their respect. Sometimes I even hang with the football jocks. They haze and abuse a lot of the other minorities in my school, but they would never do that to me. It is not what ethnic group or community that you belong to that makes who you are. It is yourself as an individual that can make a difference. If you are a great individual (this does not meant 2400 SAT score) then you will gain respect from others no matter what your race is. If ppl hate you that is your own fault; don't blame it on discrimination or racism. I have white friends, asian friends, black friends, Indian friends, and Mexican friends too. Your job is to find common interests and develop them. Don't just focus on differences. That makes ppl feel bitter and angry.</p>
<p>So please, this A&F = racism discussion is so BS. You should all learn to face reality. If you can't stand racism in America, just go back to your native country and be happy there. Otherwise stop whining like little babies.</p>
<p>Eugene S: just because racism exist doesnt mean we should sit around and let it happen, it doesnt justify native american reservations, lynching/murdering blacks for almost all of american history, japanese internment camps, etc.
A&F came out w/ some shirt that ridiculed asians. thats why its so hated among asians. </p>
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its really sad that asian are sterotyped as only one-sided (only academics esp math and science) but thats how our parents are brought up or i can only speak for chinese people. my parents were told to be engineers bc thats the most looked up to career, so its only natural that they pressure their children into excelling in those subjects. plus many 1st generation asians that immigrated to the us in the last 50 years came because of their academics & got in to an american university so those people were the smartest of the smarted in asia so their children are smart too</p>
<p>Um, at Valley Fair Mall in San Jose, California...there's an Asian girl working at A&F.
Anyway, I've noticed that all my Asian friends tend to shop at Aeropostale...tacky tacky tacky. Btw, I'm Asian myself. But Aeropostale is like, the modest cheaper version of Abercrombie that Asian parents actually approve of x_x. I wish my Asian friends had more fashion sense. I'd love to take them shopping with me, but they're too busy using making graphics and writing in their blogs.</p>
<p>huge majority of my asian friends are extremely fashionable. like they shop at normal deparment stores or "white" stores like hollister, ae or more exprensive stores like ****, armani, express, banana republic
we're not extremely rich, more like maybe middle to higher middle class, just every one dresses to impress </p>
<p>i think it makes a lot of sense why "minority" are hired at places considered "white" stores. they want to increase sales, so more people that shop there the better</p>
<p>to the guy that said nerds will be the successfull ones</p>
<p>im sorry dude but you are way offbase. nerds that think education is the number one thing and have no social life and are as horrible as you are around other people end up working menial jobs in a cubicle</p>
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<p>There is also a hispanic girl that works at the A&F store at the local mall here.
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<p>LOL, so is this like a Where's Waldo?, except you replace that goof with a minority? You got a shopping bag with a black guy? Well, I have a racist t-shirt for you. I think I win.</p>
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<p>Well, I AM a football jock, so know who you're talking to. And fortunately, my teammates are not racists like yours are.</p>
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<p>Whoa whoa whoa whoa, say that again? You're actually hanging out with a bunch of certified racists that pick on people based on their ethnicities? These are your friends? Please tell me you're joking.</p>
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If you are a great individual (this does not meant 2400 SAT score) then you will gain respect from others no matter what your race is.
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<p>Yeah, also, if you're good and say your prayers every night, maybe one day a benevolent model scout will place you in the A&F catalogue, which is where all the respect lies. Who knows? Maybe you'll wake up with genuine blond hair as well!</p>
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<p>Do not dare imply that racism is something we all have to just live with in America, and that it is acceptable in any degree. It's pessimistic and counter-progressive to all the great work done by idealists. Would you say to Jesse Jackson the same thing? "Anti-blackism has been around since the beginning of America... Go back to Africa!"</p>
<p>Hell yeah, I can take a joke. I like funny t-shirts as well. I'll gladly laugh at a "Wong laundry" t-shirt when A&F also makes another t-shirt that depicts Asians as American-style (so no exotic martial artist) heroes instead of laughable servants. Then, maybe for once in a sunset, Asians will have some kind of positive pop culture presence, instead of just being ignored or casually ridiculed.</p>
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ts really sad that asian are sterotyped as only one-sided (only academics esp math and science) but thats how our parents are brought up or i can only speak for chinese people. my parents were told to be engineers bc thats the most looked up to career, so its only natural that they pressure their children into excelling in those subjects. plus many 1st generation asians that immigrated to the us in the last 50 years came because of their academics & got in to an american university so those people were the smartest of the smarted in asia so their children are smart too
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<p>Yes, I too am extremely critical of traditional Asian parenting methods, you know, being brought up in a similar system myself. Thankfully, my parents haven't been the ultra-strict types, mostly because I'm a self-motivated person that doesn't need endless tutoring to want to do well in school. For the most part, they don't give a damn who my friends are in regards to their ethnicity, although my mom would greatly prefer it if I hung out with mostly Koreans, but it's just a preference rather than a demand.</p>
<p>Asian-Americans and other-Americans should get together so we can have more black scientists and more Asian athletes. I get so sick and tired when I hear of yet another Asian guy whose dream is to go to Stanford and become an engineer. Not that that's not an unworthy goal, because it is, but it's such a path that's been tread so many times. I hate the fact that most Asians seem to be afraid to dream, to risk failure for the chance of absolute personal fulfillment. Like take my brother for instance, who I grudgingly admit is the smartest guy I know (besides myself, haha). His passion lies in physics, but of course, being a physicist is not a very practical career choice. My dad's already working on pushing him towards the medical field, a much more lucrative field of science. My brother probably dreams of being the next Fermi or Oppenheimer, but will he ever get that chance? Why is it that though Asians are supposedly so intelligent, there seem to be so few Asian pioneers? Why do we follow and not lead?</p>
<p>Few Asian pioneers? Or few Asian-AMERICAN pioneers? Give the generation time to grow. It will happen slowly (and you can definitely see the effect of full Asian pioneers, if you only look in their home countries).</p>
<p>I actually find it kind of odd that most Asian parents want their children to go to engineering or medicine... my parents want me to go into business or economics, but I genuinely like science. </p>
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<p>And many first generation Asians immigrated because they weren't able to have an education at all, because the communists had burned their homes down and shot their families and they had nowhere to go.</p>
<p>the asian kids in singapore are generally lot more slacked than the 'typical asian' mentioned on this thread....maybe itz cos compared to kids in india/china/korea n all they are more pampered n all.... but u still get some fittin the 'typical bill'..... :p</p>
<p>well my dad was kinda disappointed that i showed absolutely no interest in doing medicine or computer engineering.... but he was happy that i chose chem engi over bizz/acct even though he wud have accepted if i ahd chosen the latter....
but for my brother, it will def be engineering,..... ;)</p>
<p>I am generalizing here, but if I could change one thing about the Asian people in my school and that I know, I would want them to be more assertive. It seems like a lot of times they get walked all over, people take advantage of them, they get made fun of, and somehow they just "take it". A lot of times, they won't stand up for themselves or confront someone who has just offended them. </p>
<p>Think about it- there are some things that are said about Asians that people would NEVER dare say about African Americans or other ethnicities. </p>
<p>Maybe the people I know still utter offensive slurs, but they sure as hell won't do it when I'm around. Because they know I have a huge problem with it and that they are just asking for trouble. Sometimes it pays to be aggressive, confrontational. You have to let people know you're not going to tolerate that kind of behavior.</p>
<p>That's true wraider, but a lot of times it's because that these kids get physically intimidated. A lot of the azn kids I know in my school (of course not everyone, just many) are so puny I think that they will snap in half if they take just one punch. I mean you have nbachris2788 up there PMSing and flipping out for no reason, but that's cuz he says hes a "football jock".</p>
<p>Now imagine this hulking kid (whatever race you would like him to be)who is like 6'3" 240 lbs. and some shrimpy asian kid that's like 5'6" and maybe 120 lbs. I think anyone would be intimidated if they were in the shoes of the small kid, they would be intimidated. I mean you can say whatever you want online, but if really in that situation you would all crap your pants.</p>
<p>This is why so often the asian kids get trampled on. They have no resources to draw from. I've seen this one white guy yelling racist things about blacks at the mall, and before I could say "racism" some huge black guy shows up and gives the kid a black-eye (pun intended). The kid probably never said another thing about blacks in public places. It's largely due to genetics, but a lot of asian kids just dont match up to others in physical size and/or strength. This is even more so with the "nerds" who don't exercise or play sports. Often, the aggressor will just physically threaten the poor kid who is unable to do anything while others watching don't do anything because they do not want to get hurt. Sometimes someone will tell the authorities, but that does not correct the long-term problem.</p>
<p>All the talk and political stuff isn't really what changes things. If you go to the ghettos of any city and someone says racist things about blacks, a black gang will show up and shoot that person. If someone says **** about Mexicans, a hispanic gang will show up and kill that guy too. You say or do anything about Russians or Italians, expect a visit from their respective mafias. Go out and start saying stuff about Japanese ppl, and you probably won't see anything happen. Go out and say thing about Korean ppl, and again, probably nothing will happen. This is a very crude and primitive example, but I hope you understand what I am trying to say.</p>