<p>number crunching? ugh,...............</p>
<p>Are there any good occupations that make good money without all that number-crunching? What about the sector of business that includes meeting with international figures, meetings, etc.? [I know, it sounds like I know nothing about business.....]</p>
<p>Still though...any ideas?</p>
<p>dcfca, what is the stint in Iraq you keep talking about?</p>
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Are there any good occupations that make good money without all that number-crunching? What about the sector of business that includes meeting with international figures, meetings, etc.? [I know, it sounds like I know nothing about business.....]</p>
<p>Still though...any ideas?
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<p>Maybe you should pursue something like International Relations, Advertising, or big Law where you might be dealing with transnational businesses.</p>
<p>Most aspects of business will involve number crunching one way or another. You're always looking to expand on profit so you're always going to be focused on numbers one way or another. </p>
<p>i-bankers do them for valuations making pitch books, etc, Consultants do them when analyzing who they're consulting, accountants sleep with numbers, Marketing & Sales types have to look at figures and statistics, lot of data mining there.</p>
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dcfca, what is the stint in Iraq you keep talking about?
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<p>Either do military work in Iraq or work with a company that's operating in Iraq right now (my friend for instance works at KPMG in Iraq) you'll end up with some great work experience that's going to be much different from the average joe i-banker.</p>
<p>You'll also encounter tons of danger. It would be something unique to write about.</p>
<p>if someone pursues in the advertising market, is it a good job for $$$$?</p>
<p>like most careers you start from the bottom and work up.</p>
<p>Will you be making 100k your first year out of college? Nope. Probably around 35k. But with experience you can work up and so will your salary. You'd be working maybe 40 hours a week.</p>
<p>"You'll also encounter tons of danger. It would be something unique to write about."</p>
<p>I bet.</p>
<p>You might want to look at this link:</p>
<p>It says that engineering (in general) paid the most to graduating students last year. Of course, your salary will also vary based upon your school's expertise, the job location, which employer you are with and how you did in school.</p>
<p>Majors don't determine your earnings. I'm serious. It's about hard work, intelligence, charisma, luck, etc. By your standards, dropping out of college would be best-- just look at Bill Gates.</p>
<p>My brother worked at Cravath in the city, and some of the lawyers he became good friends with, made well over 2 million per year.</p>
<p>awesome. awesome</p>
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EWWWWW...I despise science.</p>
<p>I'd go with finance.</p>
<p>One thing about engineering, medicine or law-it' going to provide a steady income, but you won't be sitting on truckloads of money.
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<p>The reason why engineering is the money maker on average compared to many other degrees is because of people like you. Half of my school is probably majoring in something as useless as business simply because they cannot handle the rigor of engineering. On the other hand, a finance/business/econ cirriculum for a typical engineering student is a walk in the park.</p>
<p>Simply put, engineers can do what business majors can do. Business majors cannot necessarily do what engineers can do.</p>
<p>Engineering will give you the best baseline/educational background beacuse it leaves you with the great number of options.</p>
<p>IMO, the best proven money maker field that one can go into directly from high school is the PharmD program. If anyone thinks that this is a "dead end" career, think again. Search for my previous posts and it'll detail a way to position yourself to make insane amounts of money with a PharmD as a starting mat.</p>
<p>Polo, could you tell me how someone would make insane amounts of money through PharmD, as in a year by year progression?</p>
<p>I tried searching for them but I couldn't.</p>
<p>Could you just restate what you said before briefly?</p>
<p>Two things to keep in mind:
-I did not say it would make you insane amounts of money. I only said that it would POSITION you to do so.
-It requires a lot of time and effort, but to me its well worth it.</p>
<p>In order to succeed and beat out the competition, you have to put in the work. Success has a price and you have to be willing to pay that price.</p>
<p>Age 18-Enter PharmD program.
Now here's where you need to differentiate. Complete the PharmD cirriculum, but you need to go above and beyond. It all starts right here. Try to double major in chemical engineering because then you'll be required to take all the engineering math classes, analytical chem, and physical chem that are not part of the PharmD cirriculum. For your social science/humanities electives, take economics courses and do more than what is required so that you could complete what would constitute a minor (6 courses). This would need to be completed before you enter your first professional year as you will not have time to do this after your second preprofessional year. It will require anywhere from 18-21 credits per semester for your first two years and probably 9 credits for your first two summers. While you enter your professional years, take 6 credits over every summer before your 5th year to learn a language or two at night. Try to find employment as a pharm tech during your first two years and internships during your 3rd and 4th year summers.</p>
<p>By the time you graduate at age 24 you will have..
a PharmD
an engineering background
an economics background
2 foreign lanuages
very good working experience and internships</p>
<p>Now with that rap sheet you probably won't find it too difficult to get a job in the pharmaceutical industry that pays 110k or more.</p>
<p>Work full time and go to school at night for a Master's in ChemE for a total of 2 years.</p>
<p>At age 27 you continue to work full time but take on the rigor of another Master's in either Electrical or Industrial engineering because you are an overachiever</p>
<p>At age 29, we will assume you've had an excellent run up to this point you will probably get into a top B-school. If you somehow get into a combined MBA/JD at a top graduate school, then you've reached perfection.</p>
<p>With...</p>
<p>PharmD
MS ChemE
MS EE or MS Industrial Engineering
MBA
JD
trilingual</p>
<p>....you have the tools to make a lot of money. You have more tools and options at your side than anyone else. What you do with that is up to you. I only said this is a way to POSITION yourself to make insane amounts of money.</p>
<p>I recognize that this probably requires ungodly sacrifices, but so does becoming a trader or multimillionaire. The difference is that a trader trying to climb the corporate ladder could be stopped more easily than you. With this background, you have so many paths that you can take that it is virtually impossible for someone to stop you from reach the top.</p>
<p>wow, thanks, that's a very ambitious way of looking at what you can do with a PharmD. Must have taken you a long time to figure that plan out.</p>
<p>I sort of plan to do the same thing, but in medicine. I will double major in Bio/Economics, minor in Spanish, learn Chinese on my own, maybe get into a MD/JD program, and pay for my MBA later on. I don't plan on getting a MS in engineering though, maybe just get a general understanding of EE.</p>
<p>By the way, so you'll probably be around 33 when you make the really big bucks right?</p>
<p>Ok....whatever.</p>
<p>An</p>
<p>BS (finance)
MBA
Tri/Quadlingual</p>
<p>is more than enough to succeed. You may look good on paper, but without the effort it doesn't mean jack *****. And for me, engineering or science means graduating with a 2.0 since I depise science (like I said before). Well think about it...the trader the is stopped at a certain point along the corporate ladder is making more money than the guy stopping the trader. That's fine with me! That's beside the point. If you make more money than your boss, you are considered worth more than your boss. We live in a capitalistic society. Who really cares if you're the "lowly" VP Trader? You make $10MM anyways. :)</p>
<p>I plan to go into trading, make my big bucks for 8-10 years, then do something else, unless it's insanely lucrative. (Most likely Hedge funds/private equity/other finance/financial consulting)</p>
<p>ihateCA, I admire your enthusiasm, but 99% of people who start out as traders never make it to the VP position of a major trading firm that will net them 10MM per year, what makes you think you have what it takes?</p>
<p>I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just want to understand your reasoning.</p>
<p>Funnyman-that's exactly my point. If I do any kind of undergrad science, I'll end up with a 2.0 GPA and not get into grad schools, and not be able to become a trader either, because of the low GPA. So I'd rather get my BS in Finance, become a trader at 23, make my $150k-$350k for awhile, and eventually it will reach $3MM. And that "eventually" is BEFORE I'm 33. If you start as a trader at 33, you're already 10 years behind most of the other traders you're competing with. </p>
<p>So option A is finance-->trading
option B is finance/engineering/science-->trading</p>
<p>23
A: ~$150k
B: still in school</p>
<p>28
A: ~$650k
B: Still in school</p>
<p>33
A: ~$5MM+ (at this point you're already worth ~$6MM)
B: ~$150k</p>
<p>38
A: ~$10MM+
B: ~$650k</p>
<p>43
A: ~$10MM+
B: ~$5MM</p>
<p>And so on and so forth. If you get all those degrees, you'll be 10 years behind the other traders. Just think, you're a Currency Trader and the guy next to you trading the same currencies is making 10x as much as you, and you're doing the same work. Either that, or the guy sitting next to you is younger than you, and is your boss.</p>
<p>Polo08816...don't call business majors useless because you'll most likely be working for one, and they'll most likely own your ass.</p>
<p>And I never said that everyone will make it to VP funnyman. I'm just talking about best case scenario.</p>