Sorry if this is redundant, I had trouble finding the answer online. I believe Stanford does this, are there any other schools that also require this?
Google Drusba talk.collegeconfidential.com all scores
Please ignore that prepscholar list in the link above. It is apparently derived from a list created by College Board. Those lists happen to be wrong on about 80% of the colleges listed. Most of the colleges on those lists have never had any rule requiring all of any test scores.
As to colleges that actually have any all scores rule, the list has been changing over the last several years, principally by colleges that had adotped all scores rules dropping any such rule, and the group is now about 21 colleges (but only 13 if you count UCs as one). Thus, by fall when you apply, this list might change further. Moreover, what is actually required varies among those colleges:
Georgetown requires all SAT, SAT subject test, and ACT scores.
Duke requires either all ACTs or, alternatively, all SATs and subject tests; if you submit any SAT or any subject test scores, you must submit both all SATs and all subject tests.
Stanford, Penn and Barnard require both all SATs and all ACTs, but you can send whatever subject test scores you want to send.
Yale requires either all SATs or all ACTs (if you decide to send both you must send all of both), but you can send whatever subject test scores you want to send.
Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, and Harvey Mudd require either all SATs or all ACTs (and all of both if you decide to send both), plus all subject tests
Rice and Tufts require all SATs if you send any SATs but you can send the ACTs or subject tests you want to send.
UCs require all SAT’s if you send any SATs, you can send whichever subject tests you want to send, and though it is somewhat ambiguous, its published rule appears to allow you to send whatever ACTs you want to send.
Syracuse requires all SAT scores if you send any SAT, but you can send whatever ACTs you want to send (it does not require or consider subject tests).
Thank you! Very informative!
I’m not sure the above information is correct, at least for Duke. The college counselors at my D’s school have stated that the ADs at most colleges are sympathetic with all the changes in the application process faced by the 2017 seniors and are more willing to work with students for next year. As an example, they stated Duke will be using score choice for the first time this year. From Duke’s website:
“All candidates for admission must complete one of the following standardized testing options: the ACT, including writing, or the SAT, including the essay for students who choose to submit the new SAT. For students who submit the SAT, two SAT Subject Tests are strongly recommended. Students who have taken multiple tests may choose which scores to send to Duke. For students who elect to send multiple test scores Duke will use whichever score is highest.”
On the downside for some, the counselors indicated that grades will be more important than ever this year due to all the unknowns with the testing changes.
It would surprise me if the info in post 3 were not correct. @drusba does extensive research on this.
Well, at least Duke has changed. I don’t know about the others.
However, the school’s requirements are always changing; Yale softened its stance on SAT Subject tests recently, and I would be very surprised if Penn does not follow suit this year. While this list, or any other, is a good starting point, it’s always best to double check with the school before hitting that submit button.
Ditto what @skieurope said. Was just going to say - always check the school’s website for their policies and procedures.
The Duke change that I missed is very recent because a month ago it still had last year’s rules on its site. Duke has actually now made two changes, switching to allowing score choice and dropping the requirement for two subject tests when you submit SAT and changing it to a “strong recommendation.”
On score choice, Duke has been the strangest of them of all. Schools that adopted anti score choice rules did so in spring 2009, mainly out of anger (Yale screamed like the world was going to end), when College Board started allowing score choice (before then it always sent all the SAT scores you had whenever you ordered any test sent), which CB did despite that several elite (or better “elitist”) colleges objected to its doing so. Since that initial flurry in 2009 of some schools adopting anti score choice rules, no colleges have adopted such a rule except one, Duke. Most activity since then has been with colleges that have dropped the all scores rules they adiopted in spring 2009. For no explained reason, Duke, which was pro score choice, adiopted its anti score choice rule last year for those applying for entry into the class of 2016. Now, just recently it has reverted back to its pro score choice position.
The Yale change mentioned above was to drop the requirement that you submit all subject test scores and allow score choice for those (my list reflects the new rule). That change results from Yale’s change last year to going to recommending two subject tests rather than requiring them if you submit SAT. Yale was schizophrenic for a while, showing on its site both a requirement to submit all subject test scores if you submit SAT and, on a different page, stating sending all subject test scores was not required. It actually corrected that schizophrenia shortly after I sent it an email pointing it out.
The most useless internet list of colleges showing those that require all SAT scores is that intially introduced by the College Board itself in August 2009, and, unfortunately, a number of other organizations such as prepscholar have published lists by relying on the CB list without checking it for accuracy. The College Board list, found here https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/professionals/sat-score-use-practices-participating-institutions.pdf, is about the worst misinformation I have ever seen College Board publish. Not only does it assert that a huge number of four year colleges have “all scores” rules which have never had such a rule, but it even claims a number of community colleges and for profit colleges require all scores when they do not even require test scores at all; it also incorrectly listed some foreign univeristies as requiring all SAT scores, which univeristies probably do not even know what an SAT score is.
Penn is a very recent change and now accepts score choice and thus you can send whatever you want to send. Barnard, as far as I am aware, still has an “all scores” rule, see http://admissions.barnard.edu/apply-barnard/standardized-testing-and-our-score-choice-policy. It appears another college, University of Miami,which previosly did not have an all scores rule, has decided to adopt one, although it is phrased in terms of assuring it has your best scores for superscoring purposes, http://admissions.miami.edu/undergraduate/about/virtual-counselor/how-do-i-sumbit-my-act-or-sat-score/index.html
Would be interested in feedback on the specific language that Cornell notes on their admissions page as it is not clear what the rule is for the ACT -
“You must submit your scores for either the SAT Reasoning Test or the ACT. Some of our undergraduate colleges/schools also have specific requirements for the SAT Subject Tests. Review the Freshman Admission Requirements Chart to see what’s required. It’s your responsibility to make sure that you have taken the right Subject Tests and have the scores officially reported to Cornell from the testing agency by our application deadline. Note that Cornell requires students to submit all scores from SAT tests taken and does not participate in the College Board’s Score Choice.”
Georgetown for sure. Applying was a pain. Plus they have their own application system - no Common App.
As to the Cornell question above concerning the ACT, Cornell has another page that clarifies that you must submit all ACTs if that is the test you decide to send: https://admissions.cornell.edu/standardized-testing-requirements
When a school states it wants all scores for the SAT but does not require or even recommend subject tests, do students need to send subject test scores? Or are they referring only to the regular 3 hr SAT scores when they state to send all SAT scores?
@Mom2aphysicsgeek the school will usually clarify on its website with the description SAT I (aka the 3-hour SAT) vs. SAT II (subject tests). If it doesn’t, call and ask. BTW it never hurts to send strong subject test scores unless the school (UMich. for instance) specifically instructs you NOT to send anything more than what they ask for.
In general a school won’t say “give us every test you’ve ever taken”. It’ll say something like "we require you send all official results from the SAT or ACT . . . " That is NOT a loophole asking you to send all official results from just one test. They want all your scores, even if you took both tests. The reason they say “SAT or (not and) ACT” is that they don’t want to give the impression that they are requiring you take both tests. You only need to take one.
Good rules of thumb: if it sounds like they want more than just your best score, send all your scores. If they don’t say anything about the subject tests, they aren’t requiring them. Finally, if you have any questions, call the school.
Does your post #3 include all schools that require subject tests? or is that a different list?
That would be a different list. Post #3 is for schools with mandatory reporting.