<p>My friend applied RD to 5 ives (cornell, yale, harvard, princeton, & columbia)
& her stats are NOT EVEN CLOSE to the criteria that any top school would be looking for.
she was a 3.2 UW gpa & 1610 sat...(superscore) do you get my point lol?
At first she was applying because her parents pushed her to (idk why)
and now she thinks she "might" have a shot.
i really want to tell her that she needs to get her hopes down & that she just wasted so much score report & app fee money. I don't want to be too harsh, but it baffles me how she EVEN thinks she's a possible contender.
It really gets to me when she talks about these schools, like im laughing inside, she needs to see some CC stats!!
She had an interview about 1 week ago (oh, btw does every1 get interviews, does the student request one, do they contact you if theyre intrested?) & now shes even more optimistic..
the only EC's she has are jv volleyball for 2 yrs, and maybe 1 or 2 clubs, no volunteer work, no job, no study abroad, nothing.
shes not low income & both her parents r professionals, & that wouldnt make a difference anyway
& as far as I know, her essays are nothing "special"
& oh yeah, not 1 AP, and i believe 5 honors classes
btw shes gotten into a few local schools, no big name 1s, so i wont bother naming them
so should i tell her that she has no shot (even a baby could tell you that) or just wait for the rejection letters to pile up (i really dont mean 2 sound so mean) @ first i didnt care because she didnt really think she had a shot, but now she does & is visiting all over & everything. i mean wearing an ivy hoodie to school is overdoing it, seriously
its just getting really annoying & bothersome</p>
<p>I can’t think of any reason to tell your friend she has no shot. I can think of many reasons to say good things about the schools that have accepted her. If she’s really your friend, that would be the way to soften the upcoming blow.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why you are getting so annoyed at her. I could understand your feeling sorry for her since it seems she’ll have some big disappointments in April, but why annoyed? When she gets those rejections, she’ll feel foolish for having assumed she’d get some acceptances from Ivies.</p>
<p>Don’t say anything. She will not realize it until she actually gets rejected from all the schools. If you tell her that she has no chance, you will only hurt her feeling. I have a friend who has 3.0 GPA and 1300 SAT. She is applying to Stanford and Dartmouth. I even started a thread in CC before to help her out with college selection and told her to consider some schools that are less selective but she wouldn’t listen. She complains about those colleges’ location, and reputation. And she has 3.0 1300. Lol. Annoying, I know but she won’t listen to you.</p>
<p>As long as she has been accepted to other schools, she will have some options. Lots of people apply to long shots just out of curiosity. It would be a concern if she had only applied to those schools.</p>
<p>thanks,
(lifegr) yeah i wouldn’t want to hurt her feelings, & did your friend apply anywhere else? & you’re probably right about not listening
(mdmom) thats true, i would definetly say something if she hadn’t applied anywhere else! that would just be scary!</p>
<p>btw shes gotten into a few local schools, no big name 1s, so i wont bother naming them</p>
<p>Then that’s where she’ll likely be going.</p>
<p>You may feel annoyed that she’s wearing ivy hoodies as if she will likely be going to one, but seriously, she’ll soon find out that she’s not. </p>
<p>There was a similar situation at my son’s school last year. A girl with an ACT 24 applied to Harvard and a few other similar elites. Her parents were clueless that she didn’t stand a chance. Yes, she got interviews - I guess anyone who applies can get an interview.</p>
<p>The sad thing was that she only applied to one safety school (that she didn’t like), so after she got rejected to all the top schools, she (and her parents) constantly lamented that she was “stuck going to her consolation prize school.”</p>
<p>The whole thing was stupid. The girl should have applied to a couple of safety schools that she did LOVE, so she still would have had a choice to make in the spring.</p>
<p>But…now with your friend, just don’t say much. I know that part of you wants to shake her and say, “YOU have NO chance, so stop acting like you do.” But, that won’t do any good at all.</p>
<p>Basically what everyone else has said. If she doesn’t have any safety schools she’d actually like to attend, yeah you need to tell her. Otherwise, just let her find out in April.</p>
<p>If she’s okay with her safety schools, there’s no point in telling her. If she’s not, you might just want to show her the facts in an unbiased manner. Just direct her to the 25-75% ranges, accepted student profiles, things like that, and let her judge the possibility of her acceptance for herself.</p>
<p>Who the heck do you think you are?
This post annoyed me because you’re acting extremely cocky, condescending, and plain mean to you friend. You even came off sounding slightly jealous at the fact she’s even applying. No idea why you would be, but it says something about you if as a person if you think it’s annoying that she’s applying to reach schools, taking the time to do interviews, and you dare think you know her essays aren’t ‘special’.</p>
<p>Best part of your post: “It really gets to me when she talks about these schools, like im laughing inside, she needs to see some CC stats!!” ---- =/ REALLY? You sound like such a great “friend”. </p>
<p>Look. EVERYONE has the right to apply to any school they’d like. No one has “NO” chance. Some people have more chance than others, but you have no right to discourage her from applying from schools. Did she ask your opinion on whether she’d get in or not? I see that it’s not mentioned anywhere in your post, making me believe that you’re just being mean and thinking that only a certain type of student has the right to apply. If she has the money, then let her apply wherever the hell she wants. TRYING, if money isn’t a problem, is not a waste. Better her getting a decision than forever thinking “what if”. </p>
<p>Another fantastic quote: “its just getting really annoying & bothersome” —a.k.a, she’s not actually doing anything wrong. She’s not asking you your opinion. You’re just hating on her because you don’t like the fact that she’s expressing a dream of hers?</p>
<p>Bottom line: lay off her back. She DIDNT ask your opinion. Again, how dare you try to compile her application by stating her classes, scores, and what you think of her essay? If she’s excited by certain schools, then let her be. If she wears sweatshirts…heck tons of people wear Ivy sweatshirts without having applied/attended. And if you were a REAL friend, then you would get off your high horse and understand that she’ll probably get “excited” about the schools she DOES get into come April, may that be ivy or not. And hopefully, she’ll meet people who treat her better.</p>
<p>I agree with beautifulnights.</p>
<p>Let me tell you something. Though I am not a senior like you, I started my first few weeks listening to everyone in my class say how much they want and ARE going to an Ivy League, no matter what. Unlike the schools CCers claim they go to, my school actually has a strong bell curve, which means there are very good students, good students, okay students, and bad students. Can you imagine your whole class of 130 students, dreaming of going to an Ivy League? BUt then, how I can judge the students that I don’t think will get into a top school? We have like 3-4 years left of high school. </p>
<p>But you’re a senior, so you won’t probably understand what I am talking about. But, tell you what. You never know. I know this senior who I was thought was dumb and underachieving. I saw his stats, too. However, he just got into Yale ED and his class is so jealous of him.</p>
<p>Don’t tell your friend, anything. Ever heard of karma?</p>
<p>beautiful nights:
i wasnt discouraging her from applying, like you said, you can do w/e the hell you want to do. what i was saying was day after day she feels more confident that she will get in. & she did ask for my opinion/what i think her chances are (beautiful nights) i don’t know where ur assumptions come from. (you capitalized DIDNT, when you’re not even sure) all i was getting across is reality. if she continues to be sooo hopeful, then shes gonna be absolutely crushed (more than she needs to be) in april. & i also don’t get how jealousy comes to play in this. im not jealous of the fact that shes applying, more power to her. anyone can apply, so if i wanted to, i would’ve. end of story.<br>
& why would i “hate” on her because shes expressing a dream of hers???if you want something go after it, i’d be MORE than happy if she got accepted to any of these schools. if my post sounded cocky, condescending, or plain mean, then that wasnt my intention. the internet can’t convey emotions.
& she told me herself that she didnt spend that much time or put much effort into her essays. this post wasnt about stopping my friend from applying. “you have no right to discourage her from applying” she already did, how have i discoruaged her? i havent even said much to her.
the main point is, i want hint to her that she might not get in, so she can accept it easier & move on with life. like hey, you know, its REALLY tough to get into those schools, but if u get rejected it doesnt matter because yove gotten
into other schools that youve said youre “okay” with. it wont be the end of the world & just because an ivy didnt accept you, it doesnt mean ur not intelligent
again, how on earth do you get that this post was about
telling some1 where and where not to apply?
what the hell, thats not in anyones position
you totally missed the point</p>
<p>Why do you need to tell her anything? Let the schools tell her whatever they may tell her. If you are a good friend, you will be there to help pick up the pieces if she is badly disappointed this spring…without any hint of “I told you so” or “what else would you have expected”</p>
<p>If and when she is rejected from her reaches this spring, she will be in the same company as 90% of the rest of the applicants…the schools will not send her a nastier rejection than someone with a 4.6 gpa and 2370 SATs.</p>
<p>if you were a true friend, you would talk up the good points of the school she has been accepted to…and in the spring, compliment her for being brave enough to have taken a shot at schools with such low admissions rates.</p>
<p>"i want hint to her that she might not get in, so she can accept it easier & move on with life. like hey, you know, its REALLY tough to get into those schools, but if u get rejected it doesnt matter because yove gotten "</p>
<p>Your hinting isn’t going to make any difference. She surely has heard lots of info that would let her know how long the odds are.</p>
<p>The best thing you can do for her now is to say nice things about the colleges that have accepted her. If she is rejected by her reaches, you can be there to tell her that she still has wonderful options.</p>
<p>If you speak as well as you write, I would refrain from telling your friend anything. In fact, I would refrain from telling anyone anything. Your writing makes my eyes bleed purple koolaid.</p>
<p>thanks 4 the advice northstar
she hasnt come 2 realize that they are far reaches for her though, but I guess it doesnt matter…
and to clear things up, im not a mean, jealous, or spiteful!!!</p>
<p>not 2 change the topic, but a guy at my school recently got into harvard ED & we’re all proud of him. some ppl never thought he was that smart (not sure why because he is probably the most brilliant person i know, he is GENIUS, he knows everything, literally!) he has a slight learning disability & talks slow at times, but he has great grades & is well rounded. just an outstanding student. the other day in my calc class word got around and another guy and a girl beside me were discussing it. the girl’s face literally turned pale & she was like “WHAT!?!?!?!” in utter disbelief. it was so rude, saying how there had to be a mistake, and if he got in then she certainly could of gotten in. like she was up in arms about the entire situation. believe it or not she put her head down for the rest of the period and didn’t say a word. she doesn’t even know the kid that got into harvard or anything about his grades, shes usually 1 to make fun of him & what not because of the way he talks. her saying accepting him is ridicuolous because he probably can’t afford it anyway & acceptances should be only given to students like her that can afford such a school really got to me. now thats jealousy for you. its so gross and disgusting, like the way she was reacting, i wanted to say CALM DOWN, i wouldnt be surprised if she is still losing sleep over it.</p>
<p>im not jealous, i’m more sorry that shes going have disappapointments to deal with as northstarmom said</p>
<p>& purple koolaid? what?</p>
<p>“not 2 change the topic, but a guy at my school recently got into harvard ED & we’re all proud of him. some ppl never thought he was that smart (not sure why because he is probably the most brilliant person i know, he is GENIUS, he knows everything, literally!) he has a slight learning disability & talks slow at times, but he has great grades & is well rounded.”</p>
<p>To my knowledge, Harvard has never had ED. It stopped having EA a few years ago.</p>
<p>youre right, they have a priority application date</p>
<p>That’s true, but the decisions still aren’t released until March/April.</p>
<p>really? but he really got in already, i was also surprised about notification so early from a school w/ so many applicants</p>