<p>alright thanks for the advice. I’m just not sure if I have to start out with the mechanics/EM honors version, or if I’ll just skip to waves.</p>
<p>It’s up to you whether or not you want to take 1116/2117 honors version. You would be forfeiting your AP credit. But these honors courses will go very beyond the AP version. It might be a worthwhile experience, but it’d be a lot of work (honors class require a big time commitment in college). I think you’d be able to take 3327 in the future with just 2218 (assuming you perform well it). You already would fulfill the requirement for 1112/2213 with AP credit. Though true you won’t meet the explicit pre-req, but since 1116/2117 are just more theoretical versions of 1112/2213, the instructor would probably let you take 3327 if you perform well in 2214 or 2218. </p>
<p>Bottom line is if you perform well in classes you take, no one troubles you too much in taking more difficult classes, but if you’re struggling, then it’s probably not a good idea.</p>
<p>If you feel you have a strong physics background, then you’d probably be better off skipping to waves, especially since you are very eager to get to the higher level physics course. I don’t think taking 1116/2217 will be a bad experience at all, but it will delay your plans for a year.</p>
<p>Oh I guess I’d be forfeiting credit, if I take the CASE for multi, if I take 2230-2240 anyways? But it’s probably recommended I stick with these two classes, as opposed to skipping them like 1116/2217, since they’d provide a much more stronger foundation in theoretical math?
Or just stick with 2930, 2940 and analysis like you recommended before.</p>
<p>Instead of advanced EM, I guess I could take basics qm right?</p>
<p>Okay now I’m just confused. Some upperclassmen tell me to skip phys 2213 for ECE and some tell me not to? Really what am I to do?</p>
<p>@Lelyke:</p>
<p>The decision is yours. People always give conflicting advice. ECE 2100 (distribution requirement for ECE) will force you to learn the main ECE related stuff Physics 2213 offers.</p>
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<p>If you already have a 5 on physics e/m, there isn’t much new you’ll get from 2213, other than Maxwell equations and derivation in lecture (but these aren’t really tested on exams). </p>
<p>If you got a 5 on ap physics, I would skip 2213. Take 2217 if you want to retake it anyway for a deeper understanding. But it’s probably best to focus on ECE distribution requirements. If you really like ECE retaking it won’t kill you, who knows you’ll probably enjoy it. </p>
<p>@Ishida
You have to take one version or another of linear algebra and DE. You don’t really have a choice in the matter. If you get multi credit, taking 2240 will forfeit that credit because 2240 is a more theoretical version of 1920. I would stick with 2930/2940 to keep your options open for engineering. Since you’ll probably take more theoretical courses in both DE / Linear algebra along the way as a math major anyway (if you decide that).</p>
<p>alright thanks. so a more reasonable set of classes to take for the fall would be along the lines of: 2930 or 2230 (whichever one first, physics core said 2230 instead of 2940 also satisfies linear algebra requirement), honors analysis I or analysis I (if they don’t let me take the former, but let me take the latter), honors waves, and phys 3316? </p>
<p>thought about phys 3341, but should probably wait till later.</p>
<p>As for research, could I ask a professor to do math/physics research in the fall semester?</p>
<p>You just have to be willing to branch out and willing to keep asking for research. Sometimes it’ll work out, most of the time you’ll probably get denied, but if you keep trying you’ll probably find something that interests you.</p>
<p>Yes 2230 or 2940 satisfies linear algebra requirement, but 2940 keep the engineering option open. Since you changed your mind once, who knows whether or not you’ll change it again. I think the honors analysis I-II sequence is really awesome, so I would take honors analysis I (if you can). I’d take regular waves, if you’re keen on honors analysis, but it’s your choice. Two honors is a lot of work.</p>
<p>You also need to understand there are other graduation requirements. You can’t just bulk up on STEM courses, you also need to fulfill a language requirement (in CAS) among others. Actually you’ll probably encounter more annoying requirements in CAS than engineering. But anyways a writing seminar will also be required. </p>
<p>Linear algebra, waves, honor analysis, writing seminar, and one other class (preferable not STEM) or you could just do QM one if you really want… It’ll be a tough semester. Be prepared to drop either waves or honor analysis. This is all conditional on you passing the multi CASE.</p>
<p>Would you recommend taking diff or linear first? It doesn’t really matter right? I don’t think QM I would be that bad since it’s only 3 credits.
Yeah I think I have to take like 5 humanities courses and I have PE too for CAS requirements.
Thanks for all the advice anyways, this is a lot different from registering for courses in high school.</p>
<p>It is a lot different. You can have your dream schedule, classes and you made sure everything is offered in the fall / spring. Then you find out times clash and you can only take one of the two courses you really wanted to take. Worse yet, only certain time slots work for you, and those time slots are already filled up by upperclassmen. So you really have to have keep your options open.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter in Cornell. Normally I’d take linear first, but since DE is helpful for physics 2214, Cornell engineering suggests you take DE first so you have a good background for waves. So 2930 doesn’t emphasis on any linear algebra. Don’t go by credits. Sometimes 3 credits courses can be tougher than 4 credit ones. Just have a general plan. Try to use [Cornell</a> University - Schedulizer](<a href=“http://cornell.schedulizer.com/]Cornell”>http://cornell.schedulizer.com/) or [url=<a href=“HugeDomains.com”>http://cornell.chequerd.com/]chequerd[/url</a>] to plan possible schedules. Look up classes in student center. There are probably a lot more helpful posts on this site about registering, read those if you want.</p>
<p>DE and waves together would be a good mix, but linear is a pre-req for analysis. So either one would be fine. Flip a coin or something, or take the one you’d enjoy more.</p>
<p>yeah I’ll probably just take linear first since it’s the only one I haven’t had a formal course in. Well I think all the times are fine, thanks for recommending chequerd. I just have to make sure they let me take all those courses now.
It’d be doable to take both linear and diff, since I already have some background in diff and it won’t be too much work anyways?</p>
<p>Yes it’s doable. It’s usually not recommended because a lot of the exam times sometimes conflict and you have to ask for make ups. With linear, analysis, waves, a QM course, and a writing seminar, I wouldn’t do DE on top of that. Unless you get rid off of one of those physics or math courses. Don’t try too much your first semester. Once you get used to the college experience, I’d be more daring, but for your first semester I wouldn’t overdo it.</p>
<p>So over the summer, I should basically work on reviewing mechanics/EM, multi, and work on learning proofs as a transition to advanced math so that I won’t have as hard of a time in analysis? I was studying for physics III and linear algebra thinking I could skip them, but I guess i don’t need to anymore. Generally in college, would I have time to self-study more advanced things the way I could in high school?
And just wondering, what is the chance that I could actually get those courses? As for chem, am I not required to take it since I can move it to second semester and by that time, I would’ve transferred to a&s already. </p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>I’d mostly work on multi – 3-space, planes, partial derivatives, tangent planes, optimization, double/triple integrals (in rectangular, polar, and spherical), line/surface integrals, and green’s/stoke’s/divergence theorems. </p>
<p>You’re going to have a good amount of free time in college, more so than high school usually. It’s up to you what you do with that time. If you have AP credit, I don’t think you’ll get a problem taking physics III, and if you pass multi exam then linear algebra will also be fine. I can’t say about analysis, but maybe they will overlook it. </p>
<p>Why would you review mech/e/m if you already have the credit? You’d be better off learning waves or something because that’s what you will be taking. Analysis I doesn’t have much calculus it’s mostly to do with real number system and limits (in other words there no fancy calc in it other than basics in calc I / calc II).</p>
<p>Here’s an old syllabus from 2010, <a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu/~rvale/4130syllabus.pdf[/url]”>http://www.math.cornell.edu/~rvale/4130syllabus.pdf</a></p>
<p>Okay I have a lot of questions for you now @johnny05. Are you an ECE major? Is Math 1910 more advanced than the AP calculus course, because I have a feeling that it is, and want to review a lil’ bit. Is this the same for Physics 1112, if I already have credits for it. This are the courses I have credit for> Math 1910, Chem 2090 (I’ve heard this is one of the most useless, time-wasting and difficult courses in freshman year, so I’m happily placing out of it), Physics 1112 and Physics 2213 (But I’m really eyeballing 2213 because I’m confused as to whether to take it or not, perhaps faculty advisors can help me there). Do you suggest I should skip all of these if ECE is my path? Is it going to be good for my GPA and ish. I’m planning on taking the CASE for Python too, but I also feel like just taking the course to have deeper understanding. So any suggestions?</p>
<p>No I’m not an ECE major. I took both AP Physics E/M and then physics 2213 at Cornell though. The material is pretty-much the same on the exams at least.</p>
<p>The Cornell variant of Calc II (math 1910) is considered harder. If you have BC credit (4 or 5) it’s in your best interest to use it, and you can always take the placement exam if you don’t. It’s easier to pass a placement exam than take the course and get an A. Yes, I placed out of chem 2090 myself. My friends who weren’t in chemical engineering hated this course a lot. They say some exams were unreasonably tough, and not many people enjoy 3 hour chem labs.</p>
<p>I would skip 1910, physics 1112, and chemistry without hesitation. Math 1910 is a useful subject, but you can always brush up on the material if it ever comes up and I don’t think it’ll come up much for ECE. Fourier analysis (Differential equations) is much more useful for ECE.</p>
<p>Physics 2213 is your choice. There is a lot of overlap between physics 2213 and Engrd 2100 (the latter is a required distribution for ECE). The latter will make you review the fundamentals in 2213 that are ECE specific. If you have a 5 on the AP, I would skip out of it. You won’t miss much other than some technical mathematical derivations in class that are not tested on the exam anyway. You can learn those yourself when you take multi. Skipping classes puts you ahead and allows you more room to take classes you want and change potential career paths (if need be). But yes you can discuss this with your advisor. If you’re good at programming/CS there is not much deeper understanding you’ll get from python 1110 (a beginner CS class). You’d be better off taking cs 2110 (which is in java).</p>
<p>Would I need to take chem since I’m in ENG, even though I plan to transfer to a&s in the spring? If not, I’d need to study for the placement test too. I have to take either a general engineering or cs course though?
Would I have trouble getting basics qm in the fall? And if I don’t get honors analysis, I wouldn’t have as much trouble if I choose the non-honors version, or just take some other upper-level math course like number theory or manifolds and differential forms?</p>
<p>And yeah, I plan to just review mech and EM because the honors version of the class covers special relativity and also ac circuits which are in the latter half of the book that wasn’t covered in the ap class. So I’ll just learn that as well, it shouldn’t take too long. And I planned on learning how to formally do proofs, because advanced math classes like analysis are proof-based and a lot different from high school math classes or lower-level college math. I also plan on starting to practice for the Putnam, do they also have practice sessions for it at Cornell? </p>
<p>I thought that with my schedule, I wouldn’t have as much free time in college. It’ll probably be better to just do research with my free time instead of self-studying right?</p>
<p>Thanks johnny05 your post was really helpful :)</p>
<p>Honestly, Ishida people like you make us look bad.</p>
<p>Ishida, if you’re into theoretical math and physics, do the honors physics track and the honors math track.</p>
<p>First semester take 1116 and 2230, if 2230 is too easy for you (very doubtful) then quickly move up to 4130. I would recommend the traditional 1116-2217-2218 track for physics, as it’s not very intro-y and will definitely be a good experience for you. If it’s too easy, petition to move into 2218, but it has a prereq (or coreq) of Diff EQ, so you’ll need credit for that too.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice. I think I’d be fine with 2218, since I can just review 1116, 2217 and whatever I didn’t learn in the class from kleppner and purcell, I used these books two years ago to prepare for the ap. I heard that pre-req’s are pretty loose, so wouldn’t I be fine just taking diff concurrently, since I already took it in high school as well.
And 2230 conflicts with 2218 on the schedule btw. I’d probably get a solid grounding in theoretical linear algebra and calculus when I take analysis/4330 in the future after the fall.</p>