<p>that is a question for the harvard adcom</p>
<p>i would suggest going to <a href="http://www.harvard.edu%5B/url%5D">www.harvard.edu</a> and finding their contact phone number and calling them up.</p>
<p>Straight up, Harvard isn't going to take you with a 580 verbal.</p>
<p>not even if she's international?
I don't understand Americans...they give affirmative action to Blacks...but not to international students. I thought Americans were all about equality!</p>
<p>Affirmative action is about ensuring diversity and social justice for historically maligned social groups. Also, affirmative action does not only benefit "Blacks" but all underrepresented minorities--Latinos, Native Americans, etc. Koreans--international or otherwise--are not underrepresented in American universities. By the way, (as I've mentioned in other posts) white women have been the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action. America's elite universities did not go from all-male to 50-50 institutions because they wanted to--they were forced. Affirmative action broke up the boys' clubs of the past and made them into the egalitarian places they are today. The same must be done for underrepresented minorities and the economically disadvataged of all races.</p>
<p>She's international, but she's korean. Asians are over-represented at harvard and thus do not receive affirmative action. Actually, they might have to do more to prove themselves due to the highly competitive nature of most asian applicants.</p>
<p>Which isn't fair. I know life isn't about being fair because life itself isn't fair... but there are many things about college admissions taht I've come across that are just not cool. </p>
<p>The whole thing about legacy... I don't get a pick on what school my parents went to... and I dont like the idea of some people being awarded for their parents having attended the school that they are interested in.</p>
<p>Then the whole idea about schools not having enough money for international students, thus if they need money to attend their school, they will have a very slim chance of getting in. This actually isn't true of Harvard according to what they say, but for some schools, they reject many qualified international applicants each year because they simply don't have enough money for internaiontal applicants... but did I get to pick my nationality? no. </p>
<p>Then there's the whole race diversity thing. No one gets to decide what race they can be... and I htink it doesn't make sense taht colleges are rejecting so many qualified applicants to have some "diversity" at their schools.</p>
<p>And well, I did have a 580 in my verbal, but I didn't get rejected. Though... from what I understand, just about the majority of EA applicants get deferred anyway.</p>
<p>And if Harvard rejects more than half of their applicants with a 1600, I don't think the SAT score is the final deciding factor for admission... but ahhh, I dont know. I'm really not sure.</p>
<p>okay, i'm sorry rjsmith, now i understand what affirmative action is about. (And the thing about women getting affirmative action is pretty interesting too)
BUT my point is that I want more equality and justice in America.
America has to set a precedent of internationalism if it's gonna keep on being the leader of the World.
If they're gonna keep on being so biased, they should be a communist isolationist or something.</p>
<p>How much do awards count? For example, they seem to have deferred tons of science research people. Is this just them waiting to see who wins Intel, etc?--Basically, how much would one's chances be increased by semifinalizing in the Intel or some other fairly prestigious scholarship program?</p>
<p>Quote: Then there's the whole race diversity thing. No one gets to decide what race they can be... and I htink it doesn't make sense taht colleges are rejecting so many qualified applicants to have some "diversity" at their schools.</p>
<p>From someone who hated affirmative action until an eye-opening experience last year, this is what I have to say: It's not some african-americans' fault either that they're largely born into horrible communities with little chance of holding jobs in anything other than service industries. There are entire cities in this country that only have poor to low-middle-class black residents. Affirmative action is not simply about ensuring diversity, but helping people to pull out of destructive cycles and to reverse the repercussions of past social atrocities that many blacks (and hispanics, to a lesser extent) are still living with.</p>
<p>EDIT: and many "qualified" applicants have EONS more opportunities and advantages than minority applicants, such as strong support from families, good schools, etc.</p>
<p>OHH...so how about more socio-economic change rather than the "increasing diversity" thingy? That way maybe there would be less unqualified Blacks, and more Super-intelligent international students that get into Harvard.</p>
<p>PLUS, it would be fair to the White people who don't get affirmative action and live in horrible places.</p>
<p>Yeah, it would be more fair to make affirmative action based on economic situations and not purely race. However, I was responding to the current situation in college admissions...unless someone manages to convince adcoms to change their policies within two months, the OP is stuck with what's in place right now.</p>
<p>"but there are many things about college admissions taht I've come across that are just not cool. </p>
<p>The whole thing about legacy... I don't get a pick on what school my parents went to... and I dont like the idea of some people being awarded for their parents having attended the school that they are interested in.</p>
<p>Then the whole idea about schools not having enough money for international students, thus if they need money to attend their school, they will have a very slim chance of getting in. This actually isn't true of Harvard according to what they say, but for some schools, they reject many qualified international applicants each year because they simply don't have enough money for internaiontal applicants... but did I get to pick my nationality? no. "</p>
<p>Since you have so many complaints about American colleges, have you considered whether you'd be happier going to a Korean college where, presumably, the admission rules would be more in line with your values?</p>
<p>HAHA...true true</p>
<p>so...i guess the conclusion is: 1. lonelychikk's 580 verbal is not enough. 2. Affirmative action did many good things in the past 3. But basing it purely on diversity is not good 4. Yes, social and economic change will help 5. But policies won't change in Harvard 6. so...too bad lonelychikk</p>
<p>lol, excellent summary.</p>
<p>just to let you all know... who might have been offended by the fact that i was complaining about "american colleges" and how unfair "they" are, i wasn't complaining about "american colleges," i was complaining about college admissions in general. meaning... that the same complaints go to the korean colleges.</p>
<p>so MY conclusion would be... thank you to all who have just -assumed- that i was talking about american college specificially and be mean about it.</p>
<p>Point taken. However, you did mention your international student status, and I'm assuming that wouldn't apply for you at korean colleges. I also doubt that your complaint about diversity would be as significant at korean colleges as it is at american colleges...but who knows.</p>
<p>How many people (percentage) with their dreams deferred will have their dream realized in April?</p>
<p>I have this question also. According to the old website, there was speculation. One person says 5%. Others say 20%. Who knows?</p>
<p>last year i think it was between 80-200 deferrees who got accepted...so thats like...nothing?</p>
<p>about 4 (percent)</p>