<p>So, I've been denied from both Ithaca and Crane's MusEd program...
I really don't know what to do. I'm waiting on NYU but I think I know what that result is going to be...</p>
<p>Should I try to apply to some last-minute rolling admission colleges?
Should I go to one of the college academically and try to transfer into the MusEd program sophomore year?</p>
<p>Ugh. I'm really down. Best part is my chorus teacher wasn't here today, so I couldn't even get some kind of help.</p>
<p>There are about 60 kids who attend SUNY Potsdam as regular students, perform in various ensembles and reaudition. I would contact some of the prof’s and ask if they were available for lessons during the year. Also ask if they have any grad students they think would be available for lessons. You had to have been accepted to SUNY Potsdam in order to audition</p>
<p>I’d rather be up against 60 kids than ~500 any day!</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice. I’ll send out some emails soon.</p>
<p>riku92mr, just for clarification were you accepted academically, and not musically, or do you not know? I think it’s important that you know the specifics before you formulate a plan going forward.</p>
<p>These first two links address a similar music ed situation.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/674962-didnt-get-accepted.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/674962-didnt-get-accepted.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/467660-re-auditioning-internal-transfer.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/467660-re-auditioning-internal-transfer.html</a> </p>
<p>These others are food for thought threads, and you may find additional insights there.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/642217-declined-conservatories-devestated.html?highlight=conservatories[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/642217-declined-conservatories-devestated.html?highlight=conservatories</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/487228-has-anyone-been-rejected-school-but-accepted-music.html?highlight=rejected[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/487228-has-anyone-been-rejected-school-but-accepted-music.html?highlight=rejected</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/604310-how-i-got-into-college-6-stories.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/604310-how-i-got-into-college-6-stories.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/672731-info-gap-year.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/672731-info-gap-year.html</a></p>
<p>I’ve been accepted academically to both Ithaca and Potsdam! Just not musically…</p>
<p>I’ll check those threads out right now.</p>
<p>Going off of what you said in [url=<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/674962-didnt-get-accepted.html]this[/url”>didn't get accepted - Music Major - College Confidential Forums]this[/url</a>] thread, should I contact the person that did my audition (since I remember who it was), or contact someone else?</p>
<p>When should I contact some of the vocal coaches? Should I try now or later once they get a more definite list to see if they’ll have room?</p>
<p>I think now would be fine, some professors don’t take outside students at all and some take private students. We know someone at crane who just auditioned last week after spending the first semester as a regular Potsdam student. I think she paid $30/week for her coaching. She also auditioned for and joined one of the student run acapella ensembles (they are touring this week in western NY, it’s spring break). I’m not sure how the vocal coaches are split up at Crane, I assume by voice type but starting with a name you know would help. If he or she can’t help you then ask that person to recommend someone. You can also call the music ed department and talk to them. It might be possible to take some education courses that would fulfill some of your music ed requirements as well, the music ed department would be able to help with that.</p>
<p>btw… you will not get any special treatment as a potsdam student and your re-audition will put you in the same sized pool as you audtioned with this year. You will have the benefit of having studied with a college level prof though and a year more of vocal maturity. I also think that you are only allowed one audition per school year so you would be auditioning for the call starting in 9/2011.</p>
<p>Also, don’t give up hope on NYU, sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to acceptances some times and please don’t lose heart.</p>
<p>I would follow the suggestions in my post #3 in that first thread. I would contact your admissions counselor, and/or the music ed department head and see if you can get viable feedback. I would act quickly, and not wait. You need to know whether you were competitive, was this years pool’s was exceptional, were you were in the relative pecking order. </p>
<p>I have to ask, did you feel confident in your audition, and an interview process (if applicable)?</p>
<p>If you were accepted academically but not musically to both programs you need to broach your potential for success if you were to contemplate an internal transfer at either. I would let them know you are serious about a music ed path, but need an honest an open assessment as to your chances of success within that program. You do not want them to give you false hope or gild any lilies.</p>
<p>Did you audition at Fredonia as well? Anywhere else?</p>
<p>pageturner has some specific recommendations for NY options in a further post within that thread.</p>
<p>You probably saw pageturner’s suggestion: (cross posted with violadad)
consider the community college route…</p>
<p>This will only work if the community college has a strong music program. We have one in our area that has a very strong music program and is connected to the SUNYs, and all credits are transferable. Kids go for a year or two and then re-audition to their school of choice. It really can work.</p>
<p>2) On the other hand, in New York, a person can get certified by getting her bachelor’s degree with a major in the subject (doesn’t have to be music ed, could be music anything), or 18 semester hours in the subject she plans to teach with 12 semester hours in a related subject; and then going on to get a master’s degree in music ed. Other states probably have similar certification requirements.</p>
<p>Maybe PM pageturner and ask about that cc program? Good luck, you will find your way, you’ll see!</p>
<p>@violadad - Well, for my Potsdam audition, the accompanist did butcher my songs… Now I know I can’t blame it all on her, but it did really throw me off =. I thought I butchered sight-singing at Ithaca, but did pretty well at Potsdam. Also, Potsdam had voice applicants sing a few lines from an actual vocal solo, which I think I did great on. There was no interview at Ithaca, but I felt I explained my interest in MusEd thoroughly at Potsdam. </p>
<p>I’ll contact the MusEd dept head via email now and I’ll see what feedback I can get.</p>
<p>I did not audition at Fredonia. There were complications involving me getting up there for an audition. </p>
<p>@saigter + sopranomom92 - Thanks for your help. I’ll take all of your advice into consideration :)</p>
<p>I’m so sorry the news wasn’t better. In case you want to hedge your bets with another late application, the College of Saint Rose has been relentlessly emailing my D this year and their latest says that the application deadline has been extended to March 15. They do have a music ed program with a nice new facility there.</p>
<p>William Jewell College has also extended their deadline and they have music ed. We got on their email list from Classical Singer college fair.</p>
<p>I received a reply from Potsdam. Apparently because of the large number of auditions, giving feedback is not possible.</p>
<p>Next step?</p>
<p>For what it’s worth: there have been some very strange acceptances/declinations out of Crane this year, and Fredonia has become much more difficult to get in to the past 5 years or so. </p>
<p>Yes, look at the College of St Rose. I’ve visited there recently; they have really stepped up their game. The new music building is excellent. It’s becoming a very strong program. </p>
<p>The community college in Schenectady (SCCC) is noted to have an excellent music program. I don’t think there are any dorms (check on this), but the credits transfer directly to SUNY.</p>
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<p>Is contingent upon who you spoke with. How far was the person in the chain of command? Did you actually make contact with the department head? If you did and expressed your interest in matriculating and wanted to examine/discuss auditioning in next year and still got no viable feedback, I’d say it was time to move on. I would ask the same question of Ithaca, and begin to examine other options, including late applications, a cc, or a gap year with additional private instruction.</p>
<p>You may also want to look into the CUNY’s: Copland and Hunter, and Brooklyn College Conservatory of Music in addition to the others suggested. I don’t know their respective application cut-offs.</p>
<p>Good luck, and hang in there.</p>
<p>I actually heard Tuesday evening that Glenn Guiles, Director of Music Admissions announced to the staff that there were just too many candidates this year to deal with feedback any more. Last year it had become almost a full time job for weeks on end.</p>
<p>^ That’s who I spoke with. Glenn Guiles. Should I have contacted someone else?</p>
<p>Based on what sagiter has reported, you have a couple of options:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>do you have a vocal instructor/coach with contacts at Crane? Sometimes you can get “backdoor” feedback in this manner, sometimes you can’t.</p></li>
<li><p>contact the Director of Admissions again. I would advise against this. He has stated policy, and is in a position to enforce it. </p></li>
<li><p>contact the chair of the music ad department, and see if you can get some feedback there. This is stretching the envelope. You may get some info, most likely you may not in view of the policy now in force.</p></li>
<li><p>let it stand, and walk away. Might not be the easiest, but perhaps the most realistic option under the circumstances.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>My pit orchestra director is good friends with the woman who did my audition… maybe I could speak to him and try to get some info that way?</p>
<p>riku, how did you do on your sightreading at both auditions? </p>
<p>I have two excellent vocalists in one of my classes, but both freeze at sightreading under pressure. One applied to Ithaca, one to Crane. Neither one got in. They got into plenty of other schools, so it’s Ithaca and Crane’s loss. </p>
<p>Could that have been the issue?</p>