I’m sure my S is on top of this, but I’m unclear and he has little patience!
He will be freshman LSA. For now, he wants to apply to Ross regular admission.
LSA says only AP foreign language can meet the core requirements for LSA. Ross requires that you actually take Econ 101, the writing requirement, but allows AP credit for Calc 1, 2 or 3?
So he got 5s for the following:
Microeconomics
Macroeconomics
Calc AB
Calc BC
Physics C (electrical something)
Physics C Mechanical
Spanish Language
English Language Arts
So…question, with the Calculus, it says he can get 2 classes credit. Does he still need to “place” into the next level Calc via testing? Or does the 5 place him?
With Econ, he will be forced to take 101, but it says he can still get credit. That would be as though he got credit for it twice. Can’t be reading it right?
If he can swing it, he’d like to double in Econ or Math. If he gets that many credits, will this make it “doable” in 4 years?
@HRSMom , let me try to help out as I have a son year ahead of your with similar interests. He starts in Ross this Fall and he had interest in double majoring in Math.
First, the double majoring in BBA and LSA (such as Math or Econ) got more difficult starting with those admitted to Ross in '14 or later. That is because at that time the required BBA credits went up to 58 from 45, giving yourself less flexibility outside of Ross classes. My son went into his Freshman year with about 20 AP credits but that doesn’t help much as it doesn’t place you out of many classes.
My son probably could have planned his freshman classes a bit better and given himself more leeway to accomplish the double major in math, but in the end he is going to minor in math. He started in Math with Math 215. If your son plans out his courses well and goes to school in the Spring and/or Summer sessions at least after his Freshman year (which my son didn’t want to do), he has a better shot of fitting in the Math or Econ major with his BBA.
For AP credits, with his BC score of 5, he gets 4 credits and then gets four more once he takes a required course (such as Math 215). He may forego credits if he starts lower than 215 but look at the policy on-line; it’s pretty easy to find.
For Econ, yeah if he wants to go into Ross, he still needs to take Econ 101, even though he’ll receive the Econ AP credits. That’s one example of what I mean of the AP credits not helping all that much.
The way I see it, there is little benefit to most of the AP credits – UNLESS the student is in LSA, wants to graduate a semester early, and is willing to forgo the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take interesting electives (because he will have replaced all/most of his elective credits with the AP classes taken in high school). You can tell where my bias is
If the student is not graduating early, I see little benefit to declaring all the AP credits. In fact, there’s a down side – he will be considered a junior one semester early and will be charged for it. Tuition is higher when you reach 55 credits, including AP credits.
AP credits are pretty useless because they cannot be counted towards distribution requirements. They actually hurt you by putting you at junior status quickly so you pay higher tuition. My son has AP Econ too, but Ross requires him to take Econ 101 & 102 to graduate. I did tell him to send all his scores in which will probably give his 30-40 credits because we already prepaid his tuition. So upperclassmen status does not matter. I hope credits can get him out of some electives.
The only thing my so got out of first year is taking math class thanks to the 5 on cal BC. Instead he will take 2 CS classes because he plans to minor in CS. He is preferred Ross this year BTW.
For AP Calc, you need to take the next level class and get C or above in order to get the remaining half credits. The math placement test by itself would not place you higher than Calc 1. For Eco101 and 102, the AP credits are useless as you will need to retake them anyway. Note that once you hit 55 credits, you will need to pay upperclassmen tuition rate the next semester. You may want to drop some useless AP credits by the end of first semester to lower the tuition cost. For Ross, it is not likely to graduate early even with loads of AP credits.
Spanish credits can be obtained partly from AP and partly from the placement exam. Calc credits would be useful particularly if you are going to take Calc2 anyway. The AP credit policy for CoE is better. If you are not sure certain AP credit is useful, claim it first and you will see on WA how it is used. Remember, if you end a semester with ~40-54 credits, you are still paying lower classmen tuition the next semester. So even having some useless credits may still not make you pay more. You just don’t want to have useless credits to bring you beyond the 55 credits cutoff.
I once calculated the maximum number of AP credits you can claim without triggering the upper-level tuition before you are a chronological junior. If you take 15 credits per semester, you can claim 9 AP credits without hitting 55 before junior year.
The difference last year was $900 for ISS and $1500 for OSS between the lower and upper tuition level costs for a normal load. Since this is a one time extra cost I would take as many AP credits as you can get. My S will have around 30 AP/Transfer credits and the first credit hour for a part timer is $900+. So you are paying for one credit hour extra to have the ability to use all your AP credits if you need them in the future. Very cheap insurance considering the cost of tuition for 4 years.
I agree. I am not concerned about reaching junior status a semester early. It is a good point for folks who want to save, and a good point to accept all and get rid of later if not needed.
So Ross makes you take Econ 102 as well? That seems rather silly as many kids will be ready for much higher level work.
For econ, AP credit only gets department credit, which is like general elective credit that counts for graduation. However, departmental credit does NOT fulfill any requirements for major classes, thus in this case, if a program requires econ 101 or 102 (which Ross does), the departmental credit will not exempt you from having to take those courses at UM.
Ross requires econ 101, thus there is no way around having to take it at UM. I believe they accept calc BC, but not AB credit.
Like others mentioned, you will have to pay upper level tuition once you reach 55 credits towards progress. On your official transcript, that number will be listed under CTP. Ross has a very rigid curriculum which does not allow anybody to graduate early. For AP physics C, you actually have to request the credit. This typically requires that you meet with a physics advisor. If those credits are not going to be useful, then you might as well not request that credit.
Woah a lot of AP credits for Ross won’t hurt you whatsoever. Once you begin your career in Ross your courses transferred caps at 45 credits, regardless if you had more in LSA through AP. So all Ross students pay one semester lower level and the next five our upper level. As a bonus to having extra credits, while it won’t count for credit per say to graduate, it does count to fulfill distribution… Infant many seniors their second semester don’t go full-time so you can actually save money with the lower tuition.
Oh, well I guess at one point it was a policy that calc AB credit alone would not suffice, and that you would either have to retake calc 1, or take calc 2 or higher.
“Once you begin your career in Ross your courses transferred caps at 45 credits, regardless if you had more in LSA through AP. So all Ross students pay one semester lower level and the next five our upper level.”
Carl - while the transfer is capped at 45, that doesn’t mean everyone transfers in that many. If you have say 9 AP credits and you took 30 credits in your freshman year, you’d transfer 39 credits; if you then took 15 or fewer credits in your first semester at Ross, you wouldn’t pay the “upper level” tuition rate until your third semester at Ross.
@carlsandburgsr Why ALL Ross students? Ross students who do not have AP credit, or just a few AP credits, or who do not claim their AP credit would not pay five semesters of upper-level tuition. Unless I am missing your point …
Really? So, in LSA AP credits don’t fulfill distribution, but in Ross they do?
Also, per se (it’s Latin).
You’re right! I just did the math. It saves a little bit, even if you take 11 credits, right below the threshold for full time.
