what ucla wants

<p>major prep is suggested/recommended ... by no means required.</p>

<p>I would say IGETC> major prep.</p>

<p>IGETC waives your general education requirments. ... these courses do not play as much of a role in your major/upper division courses. I assume that it is better to take some of your major prep at UC to be better prepped for the upper level UC courses in your major than to take all of your major prep at CC and to do your GE at UC.</p>

<p>As an example, UCSD advises all the san diego comm colleges that for any major requiring Organic Chem, they preffer you take that course at UC... and their biggest request for all the science majors, is to take english courses and complete their writing requirments. </p>

<p>UCLA may be different, but i highly doubt they would prefer a student who has completed all their major prep but has not taken any english/writing/ math courses.</p>

<p>You guys are not getting this.
major prep > IGETC.</p>

<p>If you don't have majority of your major prep done by the time you apply, it will SIGNIFICANTLY disadvantage you for the admission. Completion of IGETC courses will NOT give you any advantage for admission, it's just good for your own good. On the other hand, completion of pre-reqs WILL give you a BIG advantage for admission.</p>

<p>UCLA wants people to have majority of pre-reqs, if not all, done because it shows the person's preparedness for the major. There's a reason why in the UCLA site, it says the competitive applicants have majority of the pre-reqs done.</p>

<p>dhl,</p>

<p>I don't see why you're saying that I'm not getting it. </p>

<ol>
<li> I already did the admissions dance successfully.</li>
<li> I'm not disagreeing with you.</li>
<li> I'm not disagreeing with you.</li>
</ol>

<p>However, I disagree on one thing: having IGETC certification is a fairly big bonus at admissions time.</p>

<p>I was talking to Malishk31 and CardinalFocused.</p>

<p>you are fine :)</p>

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having IGETC certification is a fairly big bonus at admissions time.

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<p>No. At least not for the admission. It's just good AFTER you transfer cuz then you wont need to take any more GE courses. But I doubt it has any impact on the actual admissions process, as long as the person has 60 transferrable units completed.</p>

<p>Based on what I learned during the process and can just deduce on my own, I disagree. For one, someone with the IGETC completed is going to have one more "star" on their record compared to someone without it. Furthermore, it means that the applicant has done the basic coursework for the first two years, which may be important for the major anyway.</p>

<p>I was told that IGETC is very very good to have by more than one person, including a UCLA admissions counselor.</p>

<p>but still, pre-req's more important :P</p>

<p>I did not have the majority of my major prep done, i am missing 4 courses. That is a good amount of courses, with your theory i would have been rejected than.</p>

<p>I've seen plenty of people who got accepted to UCLA without completing the IGETC but had majority of the pre-reqs done.</p>

<p>With your theory, they would've all been rejected.</p>

<p>my theory is not that you need IGETC done...... its that it plays a greater role than maj preqs</p>

<p>Transfer Selection</p>

<p>The transfer selection review considers the following:</p>

<p>Academic Criteria</p>

<pre><code>* Junior-level standing (60 semester/90 quarter transferable units completed) by the end of the spring term before you transfer.
* GPA of 3.20 or higher earned in transferable courses.
* Progress towards completion of major preparation requirements by spring prior to transfer (see below).

There may be additional lower division requirements that students may complete--either at their current institutions or at UCLA. Should a major not have specific prerequisites, we expect students to demonstrate interest in academic study by completing coursework related to the major.
* Completion of the UC English composition, mathematics, and additional subject requirements by spring prior to transfer:
o Two courses in English composition/critical thinking and writing.
o One transferable math course that has a prerequisite of intermediate algebra or higher.
o Four transferable college courses in at least two of the following subject areas: arts and humanities, social and behavioral sciences, physical and biological sciences.
* Completion of the Intersegmental General Education Transfer Curriculum (IGETC), UCLA general education requirements, or another UC campus's breadth requirements is highly recommended for applicants to the College of Letters and Science and the School of Arts and Architecture. Applicants to the School of Theater, Film, and Television must complete one of the aforementioned general education paths. Applicants to the School of Nursing and the Henry Samueli School of Engineering and Applied Science are strongly encouraged to work towards the respective school's curriculum requirements.
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<p>Per UCLA website, it states that you should have COMPLETION of IGETC or another set of GE requirments depending on your school, where as for your MAJ PREP it says you should be in PROGRESS of completing and complete toward spring prior to admission. Based on this both seem to be required before transfer (which we all know is not the case) but IGETC or another set of GEs seems to be a req.</p>

<p>Sorry if I'm thread jacking, but does UCLA let students move into dorms at the beginning of the spring semester instead of moving in for the fall semester?</p>

<p>phiur,</p>

<p>Yes, but it's very rare and based on a lottery...unless times have changed much when I was there.</p>

<p>P.S. UCLA has quarters. ;)</p>

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my theory is not that you need IGETC done...... its that it plays a greater role than maj preqs

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<p>That is so wrong...</p>

<p>dhl, i think he/she means that its more important to have igetc done than major prep work...which is true..</p>

<p>but that is wrong if we are talking about grades bc major prep grades i think are more important</p>

<p>Well I just emailed the UCLA undergrad admissions office, so we'll be able to find out the real answer by tomorrow. :P</p>

<p>It's really vague though.
When the UCLA sites says, "It is highly recommended that the student complete blah blah blah", I'm not really sure if they are saying that it is recommended because it'll help them in the admission, or because it's for the student's own sake that they won't have to worry about taking any more GE courses after they transfer.</p>

<p>But we are talking about what will help more in the ADMISSIONS process, so we'll see about that tomorrow :P</p>

<p>As far as I'm concerned, this is how I view IGETC:</p>

<p>-It is mandatory for all junior transfers to complete at least 60 semester units (90 quarter units) done.</p>

<p>-Out of those 60 units, NOT ALL HAS TO BE IGETC courses.</p>

<p>-However, it is good to have IGETC completed FOR THE STUDENT'S OWN SAKE because then they won't have to worry about fulfilling GE requirement and will only have to take the major courses after they transfer, thus speeding up the graduation. </p>

<p>-However, the student has freedom to choose whatever courses they want to complete 60 units (IGETC or NOT) if he/she finds it more helpful/necessary for academic/other purpose (for example, taking business and accounting courses, which are not part of IGETC, instead of art courses like dance and music if he plans on majoring Economics if he finds it more helpful and useful for him to prepare him for the major).</p>

<p>-Completion of IGETC will not give the student any priority or advantage for the admissions process, as long as you have 60 units completed.</p>

<p>Conclusion: In another word, at least what I believe, although IGETC completion can be extremely useful FOR THE STUDENT'S OWN SAKE, it will not do him/her any good for the actual admissions process because the UCLA adcoms review primarily on the Academic PREPARATION and performance, and pre-req courses and their grades are the best way to show the preparedness of the applicant.</p>

<p>You can not take ANY 60 units . For one they do require that you have certain english courses/ math courses/ b4 you transfer. You still have to have those A-G requirments done by spring prior to transfer. It is not everything that is on IGETC, but it is a good chunk of it. </p>

<p>Also keep in mind that majority of the other courses simply do not transfer. IGETC pretty much has all the transferable courses on it. For one you can not even take business because most of those courses are not UC transferable.</p>

<p>Also, in my case, my preq gpa was significantly lower than my actual gpa, i actually have some C's and B's in my major preq courses.... my overall was much better though. </p>

<p>I think its going to depend a lot on your major to. For science majors they require certain preqs be done... there are other majors that you can get away with having 1 or 2 preqs and notmuch else. </p>

<p>There are probably other factors that play more imporatant roles than either in the UCLA admissions process.</p>

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Also keep in mind that majority of the other courses simply do not transfer. IGETC pretty much has all the transferable courses on it. For one you can not even take business because most of those courses are not UC transferable.

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<p>That's why you need to make sure if the course is transferrable or not, and they are usually mentioned in the catalog. Also, although majority of them are non-UC transferabble, there are some VERY useful courses that ARE UC-transferrable in Business:</p>

<p>Intro. to Business
Principles of Accounting I/II
Business Law</p>

<p>And none of these are IGETC courses.
I HIGHLY recommend people take at least the Accounting courses because ANYONE who plans on pursuing Econ/Bizecon/other econ and biz related major will find Accounting as an absolute necessity.
Sure you will have to take those courses once you transfer anyway, but you will already have gained the basic knowledge and concept of Accounting that you are less likely to struggle through the UCLA accounting courses.</p>

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There are probably other factors that play more imporatant roles than either in the UCLA admissions process.

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<p>GPA is still THE MOST IMPORTANT factor for transfers, closely followed by the essay.</p>