<p>Cal Tech is just as good as MIT
Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore reject people who get into HYSPM every year
The other ivies are just as good (maybe better).</p>
<p>So why this special note of prestige? I feel like everyone on this website considers PYH as a step above the other ivies because they are put on a pedestal, when in reality, they are just as good, maybe even worse, than Columbia and Brown.</p>
<p>Is it because they are top 5 colleges in the U.S. News rankings? I thought we didn't like rankings on this site, but by putting HYSPM we support those rankings entirely...</p>
<p>I think we should add more schools to this "prestigious first tier". At least Columbia and Cal Tech.
And why is Harvard almost always put first? People should at least change up the order, like try SYPHM</p>
<p>A lot of ppl. use HYPSMC, adding Cal Tech (Or Columbia but most ppl. mean Cal Tech). The HYPSMC thing exists because they’re the epitome of prestige and offer very good, often full ride need-based aid. (Schools like Brown, Columbia, Cornell, UPenn don’t offer aid that good) Although Penn is sometimes also included in HYPSMC as W for Wharton.</p>
<p>HYPSM are premiere schools that deserve respect because they make top quality education accessible to intellectually promising, economically disadvantaged young men and women.</p>
<p>No matter what, HYPSM will always be differentiated from other top schools, even the elite LAC’s like amherst pomona williams and swarthmore (which have their own anagrams - SWAP, PAWS, WASP… etc…).</p>
<p>IVY- name/prestige
usually best professors in the field are there
history- pranking at MIT, skulls and bones at yale</p>
<p>so on- but you can find these at other universities too-so its all in your perspective
Why is Columbia not an ivy? Last time I checked, it was one of the oldest universities and it used to trump HYP in the 1950s</p>
<p>“And why is Harvard almost always put first?”</p>
<p>Harvard is the symbol of elite American education world-wide, I believe.</p>
<p>U.S. News & World Report has noted that Wheaton is often called the “Harvard of evangelical colleges.” Vanderbilt is sometimes called the “Harvard of the South.” We don’t call them Yale’s or Princeton’s…</p>
<p>Maybe it’s because I’m from Florida but I don’t think CalTech has as much prestige as MIT… Also, I didn’t even hear of most of the other Ivies until after I graduated… HYP are the only ones I had heard of, I believe… Again what I know and perceive is 1/6,000,000,000 of the world but still…</p>
<p>dshinka, are you an IB student?- your last sentence is very ToKish.</p>
<p>I do believe its HYP because that is the founding order of the three oldest Ivies. Note that out of those three, Harvard has the highest endowment, then Yale etc…</p>
<p>Who said people on this site didn’t like rankings? Every year when the new USNews rankings come out there is speculation and talk about them for months. The members of this site <em>love</em> rankings.</p>
<p>Nope I’ve never been in IB (I was waitlisted when I applied in middle school…) and I’ve never taken Theory of Knowledge (my younger brother took that class this year so that’s why I know what ToK is…)</p>
<p>Having said that, I’m taking an intro to philosophy course over the summer and perhaps there’s some overlap when it comes to epistemology and whatnot.</p>
<p>Columbia IS an Ivy. At the turn of the century up to the 1960s it probably was as close to an HYP as any non-HYP could be. Then came the 1968 student riots and the long slow postwar decline of NYC that didn’t reverse until the 1980s or 1990s with the financial bubble (or ‘financial industry’ as we called it at the time).</p>