<p>I agree with the subset within the top 15ish (Deloitte, BAH, etc) but after the top 20-25 or so you see much less of a presence from these firms. Exponentially less.</p>
<p>^ in regards to my post above, I should clarify a bit. McK/Bain/BCG don’t necessarily target schools in the 15-20 range and while some students from 15 to 20 do get hired by those firms, these firms generally don’t have much of an on campus recruiting presence at those schools (as opposed to firms like Deloitte, BAH, etc that would heavily recruit those schools).</p>
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<p>Why would you think that? Kellogg has higher GMAT, lower acceptance rate and generally found its student body to be more accomplished than NYU. The only reason I would think your statement could be near possible is that the best candidates at NYU are more likely to go into IB, while the top candidates at Kellogg are going into more selective positions in PE, IM, MC.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I think people on here over-analyze things to death to their detriment. When I was applying to MBA schools, I wasn’t caught up in tedious minutia like if one school has a few percent more going into one industry than another or scrutinizing published rankings, but rather just applied to a few schools that I thought I’d like through talking to students, peers, colleagues, general reading.</p>
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<p>Kellogg’s Avg GMAT is slightly higher, and its acceptance rate is actually higher than NYU’s. However, I am in agreement with you that Kellogg’s students should be better than NYU’s (on avg).</p>
<p>However, statistically speaking, I would expect the top 10 (out of 190 for example) to be of higher quality than the top 10 (out of 57 for example) in part because the difference in quality between the two student bodies is not as great as some here have asserted. </p>
<p>BTW, I have no problem with Kellogg nor do I have a problem with students interested in Ibanking attending Kellogg. One can obviously get a target ibanking job from either school. I am simply stating my belief that one’s chances are better from NYU despite NYU’s lower ranking. Ditto for Columbia.</p>
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Maybe during random years that are anomalies but Kellogg has historically been (and will likely continue to be) more selective than Stern. I understand there may be some rumors going around as to why Kellogg neglected to officially report their acceptance rate this past year to USNews but in a recent meeting with school alumni, an admissions committee member quoted a number of ~16% for the class of 2010.</p>
<p>as a first year at a top3 mba, i can tell you for a fact that nobody puts stern on the same league as kellogg. when given both choices, applicants will certainly select kellogg over stern (and columbia to a lesser extent). despite the overall lack of interest in most things finance, over 6% of kellogg students go into pevc whereas stern is lucky to place even half that. and that doesn’t even take into consideration that kellogg places more into the premium firms (think carlyle). </p>
<p>had it not been for my acceptance to the one or two schools that has a higher cache than kellogg, i would’ve gladly attended the latter. stern and columbia weren’t even on my radar (nothing against two very strong programs). the real value is found in the top5. and that historically means h/s/w/k/s.</p>
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<p>What do you consider the second s? From my experience, I would say there was little discernable difference in the quality of student and interchangable acceptance/rejection among Kellogg, Tuck, MIT, Columbia to say that Kellogg has any more value than these other three. I never got the impression that the people I knew going to Kellogg thought this either. I also thought UChicago was on this plane of school (and then there was a drop-off thereafter); it was just that UChicago had a higher acceptance rate as less people wanted to go there and the only people I knew going there were rejected from the other seven.</p>
<p>I agree with Gellino.</p>
<p>my dad received his masters from Widener University and is doing pretty well! He never had the money to look at top schools, but now he does lol. However, back then I don’t think getting your masters degree was an automatic like it basically is today.</p>
<p>No one is saying (or, at least, I’m not) that you can’t do well in attending any number of schools. It’s just a matter of trying to maximize one’s chances; plus, entrance into certain sectors can be made significantly easier or can occur much earlier in one’s career by attending one of a handful of schools.</p>
<p>ok, what if I somehow by luck got into an HBS, Kellogg caliber of school. with an engineering background, and 5 years of professional experience in process consulting, operations research type of role, do I stand a shot at the premium jobs out of business school? (given that i have no prior experience)</p>
<p>Honestly there isn’t much of a difference between HBS and say Tuck. Do don’t fixate on HWS, any of the top 8ish will do, most of the top 15ish. </p>
<p>As for career switch, yeah, it doesnt matter. Once your in a top school you’ll get your shot.</p>
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<p>Kellogg sends around 5% to pevc/lbo but Columbia sends 6.3% into pevc. For an applicant interested in finance, greater opportunities are not a reason for choosing Kellogg over Columbia.</p>
<p>The difference between 5% and 6.3% is negligible and changing every year anyway. What you quoted looks to be comparing Kellogg to NYU not Columbia.</p>