<p>i am talking about other subjects such as english, languages, history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, economics, etc, etc, etc. </p>
<p>And about the "household name" thing, I'm really talking about the east coast. Here, it's hard to find an engineer that didnt go to Cornell, MIT, Princeton, CMU, RPI, University of Rochester, SUNY Binghamton, and so forth. In New York, alot of people are likely to say "harvey what????"</p>