<p>but I seem to be having a blonde moment. It wouldn't be the first time. ;)</p>
<p>From the link I provided above, page 85:
Berkeley EECS majors have the second-highest average SAT1 score (1460), exceeded only by bioengineering majors (1463).</p>
<p>This tracks closely with HMC's CDS mean SAT1 and (source: 2004 annual report) mean SAT1 for the enrolled Fall classes of:
2000 1490
2001 1460
2002 1470
2003 1450
2004 1470</p>
<p>What am I missing? Again, we're talking enrolled v. admitted but still.... Did you mean that Berkeley EECS majors have mean SATs superior to most other Berkeley majors? No question about that, clearly.</p>
<p>We need more people giving ordered lists, lol.</p>
<p>Wow, I can't believe there's a major that exceeds EECS (infamous in Berkeley for being the smartest group of people). I meant that EECS would be smarter than the rest of Berkeley, but I wasn't sure how they would compare with HM. Now I can see they're pretty similar.</p>
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yeah, harvey mudd has a great engineering program ... but, that's it. Schools like Cornell and Stanford have the benefits being schools with more than just engineering programs. An engineer at Cornell can take a load of electives in music or english or a foreign language. These schools also have ultra-prestigious names that can carry a person far ... HM isn't a household name.
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<p>I thought the OP made it pretty clear that he wanted to talk just about engineering. </p>
<p>I also didn't realize that household prestige was a factor. IF so, then why not talk about Harvard and Yale too? These schools have uber-prestige.</p>
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i am talking about other subjects such as english, languages, history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, economics, etc, etc, etc. </p>
<p>And about the "household name" thing, I'm really talking about the east coast. Here, it's hard to find an engineer that didnt go to Cornell, MIT, Princeton, CMU, RPI, University of Rochester, SUNY Binghamton, and so forth. In New York, alot of people are likely to say "harvey what????"
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<p>Well, again, then by your logic, then why not just go to Harvard or Yale? If there are 2 schools in the world that EVERYBODY has heard of, it's Harvard and Yale. Furthermore, Harvard and Yale engineering are significantly better than the engineering at some of the other schools you mentioned, like SUNY-Binghamton and the University of Rochester. I believe that USNews ranks Harvard engineering somewhere in the 20's, and Yale is somewhere in the 40's whereas SUNY-Binghamton is somewhere in the 90's and University of Rochester is somewhere in the 70's. And you would have all of the English and Psychology and poli-sci that you would ever want by going to Harvard or Yale.</p>
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Harvey Mudd because it doesn't have the research facilities like the other schools. I think it's very important to have some undergraduate research experience, and it can help you get a much better internships or jobs later on.
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<p>Oh I completely disagree. I think you would find the research facilities there to be tremendously extensive. Keep in mind that as an undergrad, what matters is not the total research facilities available at your school, but rather what you as an undergrad have reasonable access to. What does it matter if you go to a school that runs lots and lots of research if you never get a chance to participate? The truth is, at many research universities, most undergrads are considered to be second-class citizens who never get to partake in all of the research activites that occur.</p>
<p>As I said before, a whopping percentage of Harvard Mudd alumni hold doctorates. To be competitive to get into a doctoral program, you ought to have undergraduate research experience. So that begs the question exactly how are all these Mudders getting into doctoral programs if Mudd is not providing them with research resources? </p>
<p>Furthermore, you talk about jobs. Again, I would point to the average salary earned by Mudd graduates, which is often times BETTER than the salaries earned by engineers who go to the big research universities. So even if Mudders are deprived of research opportunities (which I do not agree with), it apparently isn't hurting them too badly on the job market.</p>
<p>"Well, again, then by your logic, then why not just go to Harvard or Yale"</p>
<p>because the question first brought up focused on schools like caltech, mit, cornell, stanford, UCB, HM. </p>
<p>Also, many do go to harvard or yale engineering ... even though there are better engineering programs elsewhere, it's still harvard. </p>
<p>And i mentioned the other schools because i have parents who hire college engineering students for summer co-ops here in New York. Pretty much ever student is from Cornell or MIT with a few from schools like Rochester, Binghamton, Clarkson, Buffalo, etc. None from HM. Not saying it isn't a fantastic school (because it is) but a name like Cornell will stick out on an application in the east coast. Also, i know that HM is a way better school than a place like Bing. or Rochester - but, these schools have a much more abundant alumni network on the east coast hence why so many jobs are offered to these grads. </p>
<p>"And you would have all of the English and Psychology and poli-sci that you would ever want by going to Harvard or Yale"</p>
<p>Exactly! Now you're getting it. A student wanting to double major in something like engineering and psychology might be better off at a school like harvard. or stanford (even better choice).</p>
<p>What could matter is the number of courses they offer that are related to your area of interest, particularly for junior and senior electives. Or courses in the broader area, since once you get there your specific fields of interest may change, either somewhat or radically.</p>
<p>One might suppose that larger programs are more likely to have the courses you want as your interests develop. But you have to look.</p>
<p>This is in terms of quality of education.... not prestige... If you were to look at prestige then i am pretty sure stanford is at the top. But let me ask you this question: Will you rather go to a school with the BEST engineering/math/science programs in the country, or go to another school that has a higher prestige and better reputation globally? (Now i am not saying that Stanford is bad, obviously it is also very good, but i believe that it cannot be matched with the intense curriculum of caltech and hmc.</p>
<p>I would personally choose caltech and hmc above all, that is for engineering/math/science. Ciao :D</p>