<p>I have degraded noone, Kramer. Go to an ivy, I am just stating my opinion, that is all.</p>
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^YAWN!!!!! Same old, same old....BORING!
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<p>That's not exactly just stating an opinion. I think your opinion is just fine but how you present it is not.</p>
<p>I don't get the big deal here! I want to go to an ivy league school too, but that doesn't mean I will. What does it matter to you? Why wouold someone want to waste their time trying to make people feel as if their dreams to go to an ivy school are useless?</p>
<p>Kramer,
I feel that I have presented my opinion well. Look back at the past pages and I have presented my contentions well. That one comment was really sarcasm. Truthfully, what lindsey said has been said multiple times before here. I personally disagree with them.</p>
<p>Please Lee, organize your contentions into one post... it is too hard to go through pages of "sarcastic" statements to find your true opinion.</p>
<p>lol the people on this post that dont like the idea of a prestigious university fall in the following categories:
a) have received admission to one already
b) have no chance in getting into one
c) graduated from a non prestigious university</p>
<p>in cases b,c they have no right to speak on this topic
in case a, they have a slight right, but minds will quickly change one they've experiences the "prestigious college" life</p>
<p>Goodness, people, how many times must I list my opinions here?
Alright, here is the fifteenth time I have listed my arguments:
1. You don't need an ivy league education or diploma to be successful in our society today.
2. A diploma from a state u. does the exact same job as an ivy diploma
3. State u is more economical, for you will not be in debt 160K after graduating.
4. The vast majority of kids who attend ivies did so by their parents wills and madates. "Prestige" took precedence over economy and education
5. I was never sarcastic in my posts
6. I hate when some folks here claim that only mediocre and dumb students attend state universities.</p>
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<p>actually, your absolutely wrong
1) you dont per se "need" one, but if we were to compare the average amount earn for the graduating class of say harvard for 2006 and the graduating class for csulb for 2006, harvard would be higher (i have proof)
2) actually no, there are many high end companies (merryl lynch, gsk, pfizer) who have professed to looking at "brand names". a person from say wharton is going to have a much easier time at a business position that at say csulb business school (if they even have an undergrad business
3)actually its not more economical. its actually more expensive. the top 20 colleges in the nation all pay 100 percent of the determined need by the fafsa app. however, state colleges around the country only avreage to about 80 percent. this means not only do u have to find how much the fafsa wants you to pay, but 20% more than what the government says you can afford. also, the top 20 schools in the nation give a ridiculous amount of gift (free money) aid. for example, princeton averages 96% gift aid (about 80% of their students get this package). so say the fafsa says ur family can afford 5000 dollars (average family income) princeton will pay 100 percent of the difference between their tuition and the 5000 dollars, where 96% of that difference will be gift aid that you never pay back and only 4% is in student jobs or loans to be paid off after. 4% of the tuition difference plus 5000 times 4 is rougly about 35k, no where near your 160k estimate. and thats considering if your parents borrow allll the money for your fafsa dteremined contribution
4)not true at all, many students perfer prestigious colleges because of the wide resources available, the campus environement, and also the prominence of certain majors that they are interested in. most top school applicants dont go down the us news list and choose colleges accordingly.
5) never said you were sarcastic, only ignorant
6) too bad you hate it, but truth be told, the majority of people that attend state universities are in fact mediocre and dumb. sure there are a few gold nuggets out there that do great in life, but your majority isnt.</p>
<p>Have a nice day :-)</p>
<p>I dont like knowing the point of this. I dont contemplate my existence either. That's time I could be on CC! haha.</p>
<p>sskeataesn - You may want to make a copy of your last post and retain it for future reference. I'm mainly referring to your statement in #6 above regarding the majority of people who attended state universities being mediocre and dumb. That statement is probably the biggest fabrication I've read on this board yet.</p>
<p>i still stand by what i said, no need to copy
maybe i need to clarrify.
aside from what people consider the "public ivies", most people from the widdeee range of state schools are in fact mediocre</p>
<p>ever visit any of the follow schools: csulb, csudh, uc merced</p>
<p>okay. That sounds a bit better. I don't think anyone that gets into a state university is dumb by any manner of means.</p>
<p>sskeataesen</p>
<pre><code> Your past comments make me so thankful that I will not have to spend the next four years of my life with you elitist, ivy league students. Praise God that most state university students have not the same attitude as you. As your hypothesis states, state u kids are dumb; but what can I say about your intelligence with those hideous comments.
I completely disagree with your statement about fin aid. I will admit that more underpriviledged students will end up at a state u for $ reasons, but please remember that those "dumb" schools are government funded; thus, would easily be able to give better financial aid through FAFSA. With any regard, however, to be accepted to Harvard or Princeton is one thing; to be accepted and receive fin aid is a miracle. Harvard would much prefer to give a full ride scholarship to a poverty stricken Nigerian than to an intelligent, poverty stricken farmer's son. You see, fin aid at the ivies is all well and good; but try to get the scholarship before you start blurting out these claims.
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<p>hmmm .</p>
<p>Do you suppose if you made somewhere in the 150K+ salary range, and you applied to Harvard, or Yale and noted that you were requesting financial aid, they would basically throw your application in the trash bin? Just curious how they would view someone like this.</p>
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<p>ummm dont use your ad hominem arguements here, that my friend is true low intelligence.</p>
<p>obviously, your arguement does not stand. you appeal to current stereotypes (like your nigerian example) but fail to look at actual government statistics for financial aid packages. you also (falsely) assume that I have no knowledge or no backup for my claims, which of course is false. since you use the ad hominem arguement, I guess it only makes it right for me to use it. if you dont have the intelligence to go to an ivy league and survive there, then you have no right to talk down about them. if you havent done the research for financial aid packages and actually compared them, you once again have no right to say anything. anything further that you say (and im sure you'll use more ad hominem arguements to say that im stupid therefore etc etc) will just further push the fact that you, sir, are in fact the ignorant one. </p>
<p>state schools are not bad, but if you fail to see that the majority of people in state schools are mediocre and mostly stupid, you have to be blind.</p>
<p>Those ad hominens were not too extreme, friend. Ignorance occurs when you begin blurting out facts without factual basis. You seem to have studied this matter throughly, congrats! :) </p>
<pre><code> However, my Nigerian and farmer son example are adequate, though. Harvard bringing a poor Nigerian to the school would look quite nobel on their trackrecord. You see, this makes, theoretically, much sense.
I also chuckle at the following claim: but if you fail to see that the majority of people in state schools are mediocre and mostly stupid, you have to be blind.
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<p>Golly, millions upon millions of students attend state universities each year. Does this mean that millions upon millions of college students are now extremely stupid? Gosh, I suppose this nation is in dire trouble, eh? Huh, I guess I am blind and need my vision tested.
I suppose the vast majority of doctors, lawyers, and engineers are now stupid as well seeing as a myriad of these professionals graduated from a state u.</p>
<pre><code> Go-Vibe, after I finished reading your "joke", I began to hear crickets chirping. LOLZORZ!
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<p>now your just twisting my words. i never said extremeley stupid. mediocre or "relatively stupid". many of the engineers/doctors/lawyers from state u's end up leading very mediocre lives with little progress in their positions.
what also needs to be understood is, all of those majors require graduate school. we, however, are arguing the dynamics of choosing an undergraduate school, which is quite different</p>
<p>Robert E. Lee, stop deliberately ignoring the question... Where do most people who graduate from your school become and whats the average income? Compare that with HYSP and you'll be surprised that they MUCH more than people from your unknown generic college</p>
<p>I am NOT headmaster of Washington College! When Lee retired from the confederate army as general, he decided to become head dean of Washington College(now known as Washington and Lee)
So really, I can't answer your question! I put that in mainly for novelty!</p>