<p>you may think of it of “nerdy” people goes to Ca and “social” people going to UCLA is kind of a screwy interpretation. It may or may not be true at the end of high school, but when people get into high school there is an adaptive radiation of sorts and all social niches become occupied.</p>
<p>The notion that UCLA or Cal are populated with some sort of monolithic population is pure folly. Both are very diverse campuses with a wide variety of individuals present.</p>
<p>in my book. UCLA (minus the girls) = UCB. You’d be surprised what kind of people get into Cal (intellectually speaking)..</p>
<p>if you factor in the girls UCLA >> UCB.</p>
<p>There are 32,000 students at Cal. The odds of you finding someone good looking who meets your standards are pretty good. </p>
<p>Let’s get this thread going in the direction of someone trying to decide between the two, who isn’t completely absorbed in looks being the deciding factor. I mean, c’mon, that’s U$C stuff!</p>
<p>I’m getting tired of people saying “UCLA girls are hotter than Berkeley girls.” That’s probably true on the whole, but it’s not like if you surround yourself with hot people some of the physical attractiveness will “rub off” on you or something. -_- If you’re not particularly attractive and you’re looking for romance then the hot ones will pair off and you’ll probably find yourself with "medium"ly hot people anyway.</p>
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<p>Nobody is making looks their deciding factor, but talking about it is no different than talking about “intellectual atmosphere.” Sure, you can find good looking people at berkeley…just like you can find good looking girls in the army, or who are pro weight lifters…you can find good looking people anywhere, what people in the thread are saying is that on average the girls @ UCLA > girls @ Berkeley. Chill out man…</p>
<p>The title is what’s UCLA got over Berkeley? Meaning, I guess that this is not a comparison thread as much as it is what is more appealing at UCLA?</p>
<p>I’ve spent a bit of time comparing the two, because my son goes to Cal, and my husband and I went to UCLA. I’ve spent a good part of this last year on both campuses – visiting my son at Cal and taking part in a variety of functions at UCLA. Here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>Student “looks” – well, the Bakke decision came out a year after I graduated, and my husband and I laugh about yeah, quotas were out so some of the then minorities were screwed, but did that help a nice white jewish guy if you look at the demographics these days?!? I don’t think so. Now being a nice, melting pot white female, who’s mom is jewish turned atheist and who’s dad is catholic with a black wife (not African American), I can say this with the utmost of respect. Yeah, my husband, who I met at UCLA, is admittedly really cute (back then, we called them a “fox” – don’t laugh!), and I was not unpleasant to look at, at least a good portion of the male student body didn’t think so! And, when I look at the current UCLA and UCB student body, I think both are really interesting and cool, of all races and ethnicity, but looks are really subjective, aren’t they? </p>
<p>Academics – Very, very close. To be honest, most of my high school friends who graduated from Berkeley did not end up as well off financially as my high school friends who graduated from UCLA. I have no clue why this happened. I think my friends who graduated from Cal who went into academic pursuits, i.e. grad school, etc. did intellectually better, but that doesn’t necessarily equate with financially better.</p>
<p>Sports – well, these days, Cal has it over UCLA on football. UCLA has it over Cal on basketball. And, frankly, Cal’s school spirit has it over UCLA. Their Rally Committee is incredible. The fact that they have a football stadium on campus is huge. Their annual bonfire rally before meeting with their rival, Stanford, is legendary. Yeah, UCLA has school spirt. Yeah, we have a parade through Westwood, and events going on before the USC game. Yeah, we used to have trash can bonfires down Gayley Avenue (don’t get me started!), but Cal is reeking with spirit that I just don’t see or didn’t see at UCLA.</p>
<p>Campus – well, both have their good points. I personally think UCLA is a prettier campus in a really, really nice area of LA with great weather and a perfect atmosphere. The weather in Berkeley is better than SF, but colder and more depressing than LA. One thing Berkeley has over UCLA is their Campanile, but one thing UCLA has over Cal is Royce Hall.</p>
<p>Entertainment. OK, Cal has their Greek Theatre, but it’s outdoors and more often than not, goes unused. On the other hand, UCLA has Royce Hall, Schoneberg Hall (I probably spelled this wrong and I shouldn’t, because I know the grandson), and some of the best plays, concerts, etc. you’ll ever see anywhere. Around UCLA you also get some of the best music and theatre in the country. You have to go to SF for anything comparable, and even then . . . NOT.</p>
<p>Prestige – it really depends on where in the world you are. My mates in England know nothing of Berkeley, but know everything UCLA. I know it’s different in Asia. Frankly, I think the whole thing about “prestige” is just insecure people trying to find some validity to their lack of popularity. No offense. I mean, to me, it’s the difference between Cambridge and Oxford – when it comes down to it, both are great schools.</p>
<p>Tunnels – I learned about this at a dinner for 12 strangers I held. I did some serious investigation on this, and UCLA wins, hands down.</p>
<p>haha LAX ur funny…would that mean that on average the students at Cal are smarter than those at UCLA since the GPA/SAT is slightly higher?..I know I’m playing Devil’s advocate, but still…</p>
<p>LA77: Nice post! I’m not as familiar with UCLA, but about the entertainment I’d like to add that last Friday, Counting Crows put on a free performance in the middle of Sproul Plaza at Cal (it was an unannounced surprise!)…one benefit of having them as alums!
But again, great insight!</p>
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<p>Sure they rank undergrad programs…USNWR does in business and engineering:</p>
<p>Best Undergraduate Business Programs
Rank/School Peer Assessment Score
( 5.0 = highest)</p>
<ol>
<li> University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.9 </li>
<li> Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.7
3. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) * 4.5 </li>
<li> University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.5 </li>
<li> New York University (Stern) 4.3 </li>
<li> U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) * 4.3 </li>
<li> Carnegie Mellon University ¶ 4.2 </li>
<li> University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) * 4.2 </li>
<li> Univ. of Southern California (Marshall) 4.1 </li>
<li> University of Virginia (McIntire) * 4.1 </li>
<li> Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) * 4.0 </li>
<li> Cornell University (NY) 3.9 </li>
<li> Emory University (Goizueta) (GA) 3.9 </li>
<li> Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) * 3.9 </li>
<li> U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 3.9 </li>
<li> Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 3.9 </li>
<li> Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 3.9 </li>
<li> Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) * 3.8 </li>
<li> Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) * 3.8 </li>
<li> University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.8 </li>
<li> Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC) 3.7 </li>
<li> Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)* 3.7 </li>
<li> University of Arizona (Eller) * 3.7 </li>
<li> Univ. of Maryland–College Park (Smith) * 3.7</li>
</ol>
<p>**Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs<a href=“At%20schools%20whose%20highest%20degree%20is%20a%20doctorate”>/b</a>
Rank/School Peer Assessment Score
( 5.0 = highest)</p>
<ol>
<li> Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9 </li>
<li> Stanford University (CA) 4.7
2. University of California–Berkeley * 4.7 </li>
<li> California Institute of Technology 4.6 </li>
<li> Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.5 </li>
<li> U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.5 </li>
<li> Cornell University (NY) 4.4 </li>
<li> University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.4 </li>
<li> Carnegie Mellon University ¶ 4.2 </li>
<li> Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (IN)* 4.2 </li>
<li> University of Texas–Austin * 4.2 </li>
<li> Princeton University (NJ) 4.1 </li>
<li> Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0 </li>
<li> Johns Hopkins University (MD) 3.9 </li>
<li> Northwestern University (IL) 3.9 </li>
<li> Virginia Tech * 3.9 </li>
<li> Pennsylvania State U.–University Park * 3.8 </li>
<li> Rice University (TX) 3.8 </li>
<li> Texas A&M Univ.–College Station * 3.8 </li>
<li> Columbia University (NY) 3.7 </li>
<li> Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.7
20. Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 3.7 </li>
<li> Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities * 3.7 </li>
<li> University of Washington * 3.7</li>
</ol>
<p>vc08 – Yeah I heard about the free Counting Crows concert and that seriously rocks. Sproul is great for impromtu stuff like free, great music, as well as Mario Savio (and to all of you who don’t know who that is, very important to look that up!).</p>
<p>HOWEVER, Royce Hall and the Quad o/s Royce, along with Janss steps, has been host to the most amazing, talented musicians of the 20th Century. In fact, the closest the Doors ever got to Cal was the Berkeley Community Theatre, while two members (Jim Morrison & Ray Manzarek) MET while attending UCLA. So, while Kudos to Cal for the free concert, I have to give it to UCLA on entertainment. I mean, the Doors. Come on!</p>
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<p>Illogical comparison (well analogy i guess) :rolleyes: Beauty is only skin deep, whereas intelligence is not necessarily accurately reflected by GPA/SAT. That’d be like trying to generalize people’s personality based on their looks. =P</p>
<p>haha yes UCLA, the Doors certainly are one of my favorites!</p>
<p>and fireEmblem, i’m confused, but i’ll nod my head bc i was kinda jst joking and decided i don’t really care anymore lol…
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<p>“on average girls at ucla > girls at cal” vs “high GPA/SAT = smarter people on average” is not a logical analogy…but nvm it doesn’t matter</p>
<p>Ranking specific majors in undergrad is as silly as ranking entire departments in my mind…</p>
<p>Well if it is being done, I guess not everyone would go ahead to call it silly…</p>
<p>Oh, of course not. Ultimately, USNWR will continue to come up with as many rankings as they can manage. After all, their rankings business is clearly much more profitable than their actual news business. I mean, I’m sure that if they ranked university public restrooms, someone would find it useful information.</p>
<p>I’d still find it silly.</p>
<p>I don’t think that the argumentum ad populum stance really says much other than “USNWR sells a lot of their product.” Sure, USNWR ranks everything these days (including the “best places to retire,”) but does that still save it from being silly?</p>
<p>I think that the nature of rankings as a business is often overlooked on this site. USNWR is selling us a product. A fairly well-researched product, of course. But also a highly marketed and strategically targeted product as well.</p>
<p>academically, the schools are the same for most programs. I’m pursuing “prehealth” and the two schools are looked at the same. If you’re doing other programs, may be you should look into rankings/prestige…which mean nothing outside the realm of college students and their parents</p>
<p>i go to ucla</p>
<p>and ucb owns ucla. period.
thread close.</p>
<p>thread opened.</p>
<p>That’s a helluva argument you make</p>
<p>You’re always bored, no wonder you hate UCLA. Get out and be somebody!</p>
<p>Thread closed.</p>
<p>vyan: care to explain why? haha</p>