<p>Here is my opinion on weed</p>
<p>legalize it yeah! (Peter Tosh) :p</p>
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Abortions will happen no matter what legislation is created to prevent them.
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As will all other forms of violence. Society proscribes them for this very reason. It hardly seems an argument to suggest that any given act that society deems inappropriate will occur even against its civil proscriptions...the same would apply to contract fraud, theft and murder for hire, they occur even in the face of civil penalties.</p>
<p>Moreover, most acts of violence are rational acts, as is abortion. They are just wrong according to social mores and societies injunctions. Civilizations create themselves according to what they deem civil (good) behavior. This is what is going on in the abortion question. It is, as yet, an open question.</p>
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<p>OH GOD SHES BACK!</p>
<p>RUN FOR THE HILLS!</p>
<p><em>Thread Over</em></p>
<p>Yes bob...This lass is a bit crazy.</p>
<p>Interesting article ~</p>
<p>a fetus is not a baby. he is basing his argument on a child that doesnt know the basic system of human development. its laughable.</p>
<p>I hate to tell you and that columnist, but humans are just animals with a bigger frontal lobe.</p>
<p>Agreed - that columnist is advocating making a decision with national consequences on the uninformed advice of a 9 year old.</p>
<p>That is definately a silly article. The only way that slavery can be related to abortion in my opinion is that the mother's rights are compromised for the rights of a fetus in the pro-"life" argument. Also some 9 year olds think santa claus is real and babys come from storks. They would declare the validity of santa claus as strongly as this child did his statement. The problem with finding valid information for this type of debate is it is all tainted with bias. Just reading where the article came from told me exactly what it was going to say. To say that different races are not human is biologically wrong. To say that at early stages that a fetus is not a human is biologically correct. It is alive in the same sense bacteria is at the very beginning. Flame away.</p>
<p>A 9 year old doesn't know everything, but they do have the moral clarity to tell right from wrong.</p>
<p>To say that at early stages a fetus isn't human is biologically correct? Uh.....no? You are just wrong. I mean, if its not human what is it? Notify the press! Sweetny007 has just discovered a new species, the FETI!!!! A rare beast, it rarely emerges from its cave, where it spontaneously generated itself. The fetus has no known precursor, it is a life form which evolves anew in the womb of most human women! </p>
<p>Are you arrogant enough to believe that YOU know what is 'alive' and what is not? Are you so arrogant as to declare races sub human and enslave them?</p>
<p>a 9 year old cannot tell right from wrong. that is why 9 year old's cannot be charged with murder while 13-14 year olds can.</p>
<p>Are you so arrogant as to declare women sub human and enslave them as incubators for the state, GHBrown08?</p>
<p>Give bible thumpers a break already.</p>
<p>"declare women sub human and enslave them as incubators for the state"</p>
<p>Yes, women who do not have abortions are "incubators of the state."</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>If I'm not mistaken, that incubator FOR the state probably choose to have sex and thereby become the incubator.</p>
<p>So women should be condemned to physical slavery for that, while the men get off scot free?</p>
<p>Sounds like a plan.</p>
<p>"Are you so arrogant as to declare races sub human and enslave them?"</p>
<p>That is exactly what I was pointing out was incorrect and not at all accurate to the debate. I guess you have to put words in my mouth to gain any kind of footing. Maybe you should take a science class. I am not the first person to figure out that once sperm hits an egg a human does not magically appear. It takes time to grow. When a women has a miscarriage (abortion is a forced miscarriage) what comes out is not a human being but rather a cell cluster. I am not really going to argue with someone who believes in fairy tales. I am sick of debating people who are to far off from reality. Why argue with someone who places no value on FACTS??</p>
<p>"Are you arrogant enough to believe that YOU know what is 'alive' and what is not?"</p>
<p>Actually yes science can determine what is alive and what is not. Do you even know how to read?? You did not understand a single thing in my post. The fetus is technically life but then so is bacteria.</p>
<p>I don't think anyone needs to read your post. You are just evil.</p>
<p>Sweet doesn't need to be in your UN.</p>
<p>I think it's ignorant to argue that the fetus isn't alive or it isn't human. We all know that it is both of those things. What did we expect it to be? A fish? For me the argument comes down to personhood. I don't believe a fetus should be endowed with the rights of a legal person? Why? It's too complicated. Currently, rights are bestowed upon at birth, because it's an easy arbitrary age. No one can argue over when birth happens. It's a major shift in development in that the baby moves from physical dependency to social dependency. Conception or any other point while still in the womb is not such. If such a Human Life Amendment (or whatever it is called) passed how would you enforce that? Would people who have sex and conceive a child in America, would that child be granted citizenship? If so, how would you prove it? Can you imprison a mother because you believe she is endangering or neglecting her fetus? And the list of questions goes on...</p>