<p>My point isn't that its easy to transfer into arts and sciences, its that "Cornell" means more than just one thing and the perception is that some routes (in-state ) are less selective.</p>
<p>It's not like selectivity is the only thing that makes a school good...</p>
<p>^Shhhh...this is CC, anon89. Stop that nonsense.</p>
<p>slipper, </p>
<p>the Hotel school at Cornell is actually one of the most unique things about Cornell. Just take a look at Cornell's motto to learn about the university's mission and academic focus. It is a school that was essentially founded to educate its grads to learn both theoretical and applied knowledge/skills necessary for the society. And, since hotel school is so unique, it indeed attracts the student body that is genuinely passionate about the field.</p>
<p>I hate to resurrect this thread but I think I need to...</p>
<p>I was at a at a near-by university for this political discussion program (which was a lot of fun) and a grad student who leading the discussion asked me which college I was going to. When I told him, he proceeded to explain me that his school was better and that it was higher ranked. This was not some 17 year old high schooler in an anonymous web board, this was a well spoken and mature graduate student. I'm realizing that encountering disrespect for being a Cornellian is inevitable. Earlier in this thread you explained to me that their disrespect in unfounded. I understand and thank you, but I'm still offended by this disrespect. So my main question (and the reason I felt I had to bring back this thread) is how have you dealt with this and how should I respond the next time I'm in a such a situation.</p>
<p>I have to say, I'm pretty surprised as I have never encountered such disrespect.</p>
<p>Where did he attend school?</p>
<p>What was the context of the convo?</p>
<p>I can't imagine it would've gone like this:</p>
<p>Grad student: So, what school do you attend?
Nesquik: Cornell University.
Grad student: Well, my school is better.</p>
<p>I think you will rarely find yourself in this situation. If you do, though, defend Cornell. Tell the person about Cornell's stengths, and argue that Cornell's mission as a land grand university and dedication to public service is mistaken for Cornell's percieved ease in terms of admissions. Cornell has many niche programs, and with the exception of Penn, double the number of undergrads any other Ivy has. That's why it seems (keyword: seems) easier to get into than other Ivies. Also, Cornell has many strengths that "higher ranked" schools don't have. If someone offends you by saying their school is better, enlighten them about all Cornell offers.</p>
<p>Wow...that guy's school taught him everything but having a personality, eh?</p>
<p>"Hi, I'm from Cornell, nice to meet you."</p>
<p>"...my schools better! LOSER!"</p>
<p>Wow...he must have all of 2 friends.</p>
<p>Cornell is awesome and selective school
there may be easier way to get in than other selective school
but that doesn't mean Cornell should be disrespected.
even u say it has "back door" it's still selective anyway
if u don't have great numbers u still need great talent to get in</p>
<p>^yeah seriously. I'm curious how the conversation went...</p>
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It's good to know that those who have been associated with Cornell longer than I have found this to be the exception, not the norm
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Do you think that might be too .... confrontational. I mean if someone else is so set in an anti-cornell opinion that they feel the need to explain this to me... I'm not going to change anyones mind and the discussion could easily become more of an argument.</p>
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What was the context of the convo?</p>
<p>I can't imagine it would've gone like this:</p>
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Nesquik: Cornell University.
Grad student: Well, my school is better.
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<p>I know it sounds strange, but basically we sat in a room and talked about politics. We were there all day (even eating lunch in the discussion room) and so occasionally our discussion shifted away from politics. Some of the kids started talking about the applicability of standardized tests in college admissions processes (should SATs be mandatory, how much weight should they hold, how accurate is the exam in determining aptitude, etc.) From there the discussion turned to what our plans for the future were/what we planned to study in college. The discussion leader asked me where I was going/what I wanted to study. I told him I was going into engineering at Cornell. Odd as it may sound, his immediate reaction was to talk about his college's higher ranking. I was surprised by his reaction and responded by saying "umm ok" At which point the discussion moved on.</p>
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<p>I don't want to say the exact name of the school as that would reveal too much about my personal whereabouts for an anonymous site. I can say that it was a public college that accepts over 80% of its applicants and was actually ranked in the 4th quartile in US news. Given his background I was surprised by his aggressiveness.</p>
<p>Apologies if I'm over reacting, but this was the first time I've ever talked with a graduate student. So this is the only opinion about Cornell that I've heard from someone within academia.</p>
<p>How did he argue about his colleges high ranking if he went to a lower ranked school? Are you talking about his undergrad school, and now he is in a top grad school? Either way he is an idiot.</p>
<p>I have similar hate that I face in my school too.</p>
<p>One of my friends looks down on Cornell because of the same reasons as any other person who bashes it- high acceptance rate. I told him that doesn't affect the credibility of the university, but he shrugged it off.</p>
<p>Then my other friend who wants to go to NYU bashes Cornell saying it's in the middle of nowhere and there's no fun, and again she mentions the high acceptance rate thing. Funny thing that she bashes Cornell while she's applying to NYU, which is ranked 34 on the US News Ranking and Cornell is ranked 12 (just using one source).</p>
<p>And my other friend just says Cornell is bad in general.</p>
<p>I don't get it. Next time they do this I'm telling them I won't talk to them if they ever mention Cornell in a negative tone. It's not fair. Cornell's credibility has NOTHING to do with it's acceptance rate!!</p>
<p>I get so agitated whenever Cornell bashing occurs!! >=|</p>
<p>Just refer them to the National Research Council rankings of individual programs. Cornell has many major programs in the top 15. Even beyond individual programs, to say a school that is consistently ranked in the top 10-15 universities in the entire world is "bad" is just a reflection of their own ignorance.</p>
<p>Cornell just has an image problem because it's egalitarian in nature rather than elitist. People who are obsessed with proving they are superior to others struggle to accept farmers or hotel managers or nutritionists in niche programs as their equals. </p>
<p>You'll notice nobody slams University of Chicago's much higher acceptance rate. You'll also notice that people who go to inferior urban schools use that to disparage Cornell (even though Cornell has a major campus in NYC).</p>
<p>Anyway - who cares what they think. It was the best school for me. I've since gone to Harvard and found the experience at Harvard far inferior. Just remember the people who are bashing it have a) probably never even seen it or gone to it and b) probably wouldn't get in (they still reject about 80% of applicants).</p>
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<p>lol, I have a funny story about that...</p>
<p>We were talking about college once in my class and Cornell was brought up. This guy (I'm not even kidding) who's going to some satellite state school that accepts like 95% of applicants was bashing Cornell like it was some random community college.</p>
<p>Semi-quote: "It's not that prestigious. Cornell's barely, barely an Ivy League school."</p>
<p>Like, dude, look at yourself and where you're going.</p>
<p>The motto, raison d'etre of Cornell- they all seem to be vulnerable to such ugly ignorances. I'm from South Korea and also experiencing similar situations almost everyday. Looks like everyone does not want to know the strength and uniqueness of Cornell which is so distinct from among other elitist ivies and those shiny names of HARVARD, YALE, STANFORD, MIT.
We know the uniquess and greatness of Cornell. Let's have a successful and glorious 4 years and get into society and be successful. And no one will toss such careless words to us~</p>
<p>It's ok guys...I get this crap from my own sister. My sister who was rejected from all but 2 colleges and will be ending up at a state university.</p>
<p>Every time she says that Cornell isn't that great a school and that it must have low standards because they let me in...I smile and remind her of her own rejection from Cornell and casually point to the fireplace mantle where my Cornell diploma proudly hangs :-)</p>
<p>okay this thread is really irritating me so I have to post. I have NEVER had anyone ever even come close to insulting Cornell. Everyone is really impressed by me going to Cornell and it actually makes me embarrassed to say I'm going to Cornell just because I always get the reaction "wow...you must be really smart", or my favorite "wow that's a really good school. Are you really smart?"...as an actual question and they wait till i say something lol. (Granted I do live in an area of small towns). That grad student is obviously compensating for something...plus saying ur going to Cornell engineering should make u extremely proud. Everyone knows Cornell engineering is spectacular and everyone has respect for it. No one should ever be ashamed of going to Cornell. As u can see the common theme of this thread is that people going to worse schools are the ones to say something about our amazing school. In some cases they applied and were rejected and ended up compensating for it in their minds by saying "that's not a good school anyway...I wouldn't go there even if I had gotten in"...which they didn't. They could even just be jealous. Whatever the case, you are probably getting a better education than them and will probably end up making more money...so they are the losers and you only have to smile because you know that you go to CORNELL. I had never even thought of Cornell being anything less than 100% amazing until I came to CC. People need to stop being as*holes to eachother because if someone can insult an Ivy League school then there is no end to the madness.</p>
<p>Maybe it was because I never really got into the college admissions craze when I was a HS senior, but I have never ever heard of anyone disparaging Cornell in real life. After having worked at the NIH for the past year, I was treated w/ the upmost respect whenever someone found out I attended Cornell. In fact, one of the other post bacs said she didn't know how to talk to me because she assumed I was some uber-genius after having attended Cornell.</p>
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<p>now that you mention it, that is very similar to my experience from high school. most smart kids who have proper ability to make informed judgments and who are mature enough do in fact respect cornell as it is in most cases. the ones who were bashing it tended to be average or below average students who were going to 2nd tier schools. Sad, they keep obsessing about HYPS, the schools that most of them will never get into.</p>