<p>BanjoHitter, </p>
<p>That’s true, the other numbers people have been throwing out are for research in general…while the NSF ‘engineering’ research expenditures would be more relevant here.</p>
<p>That was my point. I’m sure NUS has an engineering research expenditure much higher than $16 million since they recently received a $13 million/year research grant for just one project (on cell membranes). But I can’t find exact numbers.</p>
<p>For perspective on $16 million for an entire engineering school, that’s less than each department at Georgia Tech spends on research. Aerospace Engineering at GT spends more than twice that ($35 million) per year.</p>
<p>Actually, I’m reasonably sure that NUS has MSU beat hands down on NSF funding (which is where the $13 million per year comes from.)</p>
<p>I don’t think that list is just NSF funding…it’s all research expenditures…so it would include funding from industry too right…say like ConocoPhillips…or military contracts…etc…</p>
<p>Yes, the NSF rankings include all research expenditures for engineering, not just NSF numbers.</p>
<p>And, no, Montana State does not beat NUS “hands down” or even at all for research expenditures. NUS clearly has substantially more engineering research. </p>
<p>MSU does beat NUS in terms of NSF grant money, but that’s only because the NSF is a US federal agency that does not frequently provide research money to international agency. The parallel argument is that NUS beats MSU hands down in funding from the country of Singapore. Or that MSU beats MIT hands down in funding from the State of Montana.</p>
<p>GP Burdell:</p>
<p>OK then…lemme rephrase.</p>
<p>Montana State University beats NUS hands down in research spending per head of cow that lives on campus.</p>
<p>The schools are two different schools, founded for two different purposes, and aren’t a good comparison. Montana State actually does a lot of research for it’s class of school, but NUS and MSU are two different ones.</p>
<p>They are very different schools, but we’re just comparing engineering research at one vs. engineering research at the other so that someone can compare the advantages of attending one school than the other. </p>
<p>When you’ve separated engineering research expenditures from overall expenditures, how does the number of cows on campus play into the comparison?</p>
<p>If you like to go to a school where you wake up to the mooing of cows in the distance, I wouldn’t pick NUS.</p>
<p>And the point is there are lots of factors on picking schools besides total expenditures on engineering research.</p>
<p>Before I add my two cents to this new argument, I’d like to confirm a couple of things. Is anyone from NUS here? Does anyone know anyone attending NUS on a personal level?</p>
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<p>Wouldn’t NUS technically win there, too? If MSU has so many, then it would be their research money divided up per more cows. If NUS has any at all, it would be divided up per fewer cows.</p>
<p>more/less > less/more</p>
<p>^ Unless NUS has no cows at all, in which case their ratio would be undefined ;)</p>
<p>So some of my friends in my school have ended up going to NUS.</p>
<p>These friends of mine were just as good as me in the studies. These friends of mine want to end up in US when they get jobs too.</p>
<p>If I applied, I would’ve probably gotten through to NUS too. But I’m going to Montana State University Bozeman.</p>
<p>So, I’m thinking if I made a mistake by not going to NUS. Are the NUS kids going to get a lot more opportunities than me? The other way round? </p>
<p>[sorry to bring this thread back up].</p>
<p>Bottom Q:</p>
<p>For an international (to both MSU and NUS), what is better (to get a job in US ultimately)???</p>
<p>Yes, you are making a huge mistake. You should just accept the fact that you will never amount to anything in life because you went to one school instead of another. They will be the leaders of industry, while you will only be a pawn. Sorry kid.</p>
<p>If you couldnt read into my sarcasm - just do your best. There is no such thing as a mistake when it comes to college choice unless the school just doesnt fit your personality. You’ll use the same textbooks and do the same assignments at University of Bumblefarts as you do at MIT. Do your best, LEARN, and you’ll be fine.</p>