<p>"Jesus Christ, you people shouldn't ask questions if you're not going to accept the answers!"</p>
<p>I don't think that's the kind of attitude that breeds independent thinking</p>
<p>What happens if you self-study your APs? Who gets our scores?</p>
<p>shravas, my guess is that your school still does, assuming you put in the correct school code.</p>
<p>we haven't gotten our scores yet in md but last week my friend got an email from her euro teacher saying how dissappointed he was in her score. it was funny though because she's the valedictorian and was stressed about IB tests so didn't bother studying and somehow she was only one of 4 kids out of like 50 who got a 1.</p>
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<p>Well, since I don't have a teacher for those subjects, so they wouldn't get the score right? So is it just the AP Coordinator?</p>
<p>Naivet</p>
<p>shravas, all of the students who took a particular subject are lumped into the same report. It is not disaggregated by teacher, but because it has your name on it, I don't receive credit/blame for you because you weren't on my roster.</p>
<p>At my school, we actually have two separate teachers who teach the AP Calculus AB course, and we have to manually separate out our students in order to figure out what teacher scored what. This year, we also had two "self-studiers" after they dropped out of the AP class (it was "too tough"), and I'm interested to see how they do. :)</p>
<p>On a side note, I have to admit that there are times where I deliberately do not tell my students the truth regarding the exam. We do a number of practice exams in class and score them in class. One error that the AP does not penalize for has to do with the "dx" at the conclusion of integrals. The AP doesn't penalize for this, and yet on my practice exams, we do. I justify this with the idea that it's good mathematics to include dx at the conclusion of integrals with respect to x. And the time saved by omitting the dx on the integrals is insignificant compared to the bad habits that you create by omitting it.</p>
<p>Just saying that there are times where a teacher might be motivated to lie, in the best interests of his/her students. That may seem wrong, but there are way too many high school students out there who can't handle the truth.</p>
<p>Haha, that's funny ^. I think our teacher did that too. At least, she took points off on our tests for not including dx. She never said exactly that the AP would. Or maybe she did, I can't really remember.</p>
<p>Anyway, they SHOULD penalize for that. It's a pretty big mistake, isn't it? They already curve the math exam enough.</p>
<p>I never said anything about a breach of trust. There's a difference between lying and what I'm referring to. All I'm saying is that MAYBE--JUST MAYBE--(maybe as in yes OR OR OR OR OR OR no) your teacher told you the wrong thing. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES</p>
<p>Yes, if my teacher just said "we get breakdowns" maybe you'd be right not to believe him.</p>
<p>But (like I said earlier, I think twice) he said we get breakdowns, including the percentage of multiple choice questions you got right, percent you got right in certain skill areas, and all of your individual free response question scores. How can he make a mistake as huge as that if all he gets is a number from 1 to 5?</p>
<p>So how is simply doubting someone naivete? I--in no way whatsoever--was trying to say "oh, don't believe what this teacher says." But if you and a teacher disagree over something, you shouldn't immediately think that because he's older and is a "teacher," he's ALWAYS right. That's why you should ask questions--to CONFIRM that your teacher is right. Your teacher will respect you for your curiosity--not disregard you for any kind of "arrogance." Having your own opinions is not arrogance. In one of my AP science classes, a couple of times during the year my teacher made several mistakes on the answer sheet for our homework. I went to him and asked him more about the question and yes he gave a good response...but I then showed him a specific chart that proved him wrong. Is that arrogance? Would you rather sit back and naively succumb to EVERY teacher when your opinions/thoughts differ? Why wouldn't you ask questions? It's called LEARNING, Chris07, and I'd rather have myself proven wrong while asking questions than being passive and naive.</p>
<p>Now you're making arguments I never even disagreed with.</p>
<p>Yes, you should question your teachers when they make obvious mistakes. I never said that. (By the way, congratulations to you for proving your teacher wrong! We're all very proud.) It happens at my school. It's just not right to tell your teachers they're wrong when you know nothing about the subject, and only your opinions shape the matter. This has happened at my school too, a kid thinks he's smarter than the teacher, argues the opposite of what the teacher is saying, and then looks stupid because he didn't listen to reason. In those cases there was no reason for the kid to be suspicious, the only reason being his unwillingness to believe what somebody else says because they value their own uninformed beliefs more. THAT is arrogance. And that's exactly what you were (and probably still are) doing.</p>
<p>Please, if you're a junior or below and are going back to school (you definitely sound young), ASK YOUR TEACHER IF THEY GET A BREAKDOWN OF YOUR SCORES. Then ask another teacher. And another. Until you can believe SOMEONE. Then ask to see the breakdown, if you have the guts. I'd expect an "absolutely not." And then poor untrusting you will never, ever be sure that teachers really do get the breakdowns, if they're reluctant to show you. But at least you can feel confident that you never thought something that wasn't true. So you can remain perfect.</p>
<p>check this out---seems as if they receive an breakdown, but not for individual students per se
<a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/ap/techman/chap3/%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegeboard.com/ap/techman/chap3/</a></p>
<p>I'm told they just get a listing of the scores and an average of their classes. From what I understand, teachers have already received them.</p>
<p>Chris07 is correct (in a way). His teacher was not lying, he does receive breakdowns, but not for each indivudual student (just for the class as a whole). The breakdowns give the teacher the class average for each free response and the multiple choice percentages for different types of questions.</p>
<p>Yeah...I never straight up question a teacher without any knowledge of the question/issue in dispute. What happened with my teacher is that I had read differently in my textbook on a specific topic, but when the answer sheet came out, I was confused. Soooo..I went to him and prodded him with questions to see if I was wrong and how I was wrong...but everything he said could still be refuted by the information in the textbook, so thats where I came out and disagreed with him, POLITELY showing him the page in the textbook. Obviously, if u go into a classroom and immediately think that you're always right and smarter than the teacher, then that's arrogance, but when your previous knowledge--esp when it came from an authoritative text--differs from what the teacher says, then you have all the right to resolve the issue.</p>