<p>FWIW, “counsellor” is spelled correctly. It may not be the most commonly accepted spelling in the US, but just like travelling, cancelling, and colour, it is correctly spelled. I can’t say the same for “grammer” however.</p>
<p>This thread has been very useful for me as I update my resum</p>
<p>MisterK, I don’t run spellcheck for forums posts, and the stakes are low if I make an error. If this were a resume, I would have run spellcheck, and gone with the most accepted spelling. 
And yes, I know it’s “grammar.”</p>
<p>LasMas - All kidding aside, I very much agree with your larger point. The quality of writing really does seem to degrade with every passing decade.</p>
<p>And then, just when we thought that it had finally hit rock bottom … along came IM-speak.</p>
<p>A different perspective here. I dislike it when resumes are artificially short, and lack the information that I am looking for. I have no problem with a 2-3 or even more page resume, as long as it is filled with relevant info. </p>
<p>I’m an engineering manager, and typically hire people with graduate degrees in engineering. Even in a new grad, I want to see the publication list, a detailed description of what work was done at internships, a summary list of skills, etc.</p>
<p>Sacchi & LaMas & others,
Should it be “publications & references upon request” or should they be listed as pending or in progress, in the body of the text. I have no idea what my S’s resume looked like, but he received 3 job offers, so I assume he did OK & may have gotten some guidance by career placement at the School of Engineering at his U. He is working (not sure if published now or still pending) on several professional publications–one in geology & the rest in EE. He has also done work during the school year & over the summer in engineering.</p>
<p>D will have a portfolio when she looks for jobs in her industry, cinema. I suspect different rules may apply there as well. She can probably write about the positions she has held in various films, jobs and courses that are relevant.</p>
<p>Interesting that one wants skills listed by employer and another wants skills listed separately from employer. Wonder what varies by field or by the person screening resumes?</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I have tried to always keep my resumes to just one page–most of my relevant experience & skills can easily be set forth there, plus the cover letter can include a bit more if needed.</p>
<p>My husband reads tons of resumes and he has always said that it should not be longer than one page unless you have been working for a very long time. He has said that if a resume is too long, he doesn’t even read it as he is just too busy to get through it. As a new grad,there is no way you should ever go over a page.</p>
<p>My resume is just short of one page. But most of my details are a size 10 font. Is that too small? </p>
<p>I don’t even include irrelevant jobs like when I worked in the rec center in college (although I do work in the fitness field!). Ok, so my degree is actually in athletic training. I only have one entry that is not directly athletic training and it is a part of my current job working in a PT clinic. I had it previously to finishing school and being able to work as an athletic trainer. All I did was add responsibilites upon graduation. </p>
<p>I do have several certifications, licensure, and professional organizations listed. The experience part of my resume is by far the greatest part… Education is 3 lines total.</p>
<p>I would think if you work in the fitness field you WOULD include jobs like working in the rec center in college as part of your experience. I am also curious about the size of font that would be recommended.</p>
<p>H recommends 12 point font & that is the size I try to use most of the time. Would love to hear from folks who often review resumes, tho H does review & hire sometimes as well.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Well, I currently work in fitness but my profession is not really fitness exactly. It’s related, but it’s not 
And I really have no room for it. Because I had an internship two summers and then basically had internships all but my first year of college during the school year as well so all of that is listed.</p>
<p>In my Business Communications class last term I read that while most employers and HR departments recommend keeping resumes to one page, statistically they then go on to hire people at a higher rate with resumes that are two, and even three pages long.</p>
<p>I thought that was interesting. It’s like they say one thing because it’s just the rule of thumb, but then do something different.</p>
<p>It may be that a person with the experience and qualifications that exceed one page just bring more to the table. That would make total sense, but it does run contrary to the one-page rule.</p>
<p>Our professor (who is also a business professional) said we should make our resumes the length they need to succinctly, but fully present our qualifications and experience for a position – don’t write more than is necessary, but don’t remove important things just for the virtue of adhering to the one-page rule.</p>
<p>^^ Of course, every hire-er has a personal preference. I’m sure it also sure it depends a great deal on the type of position. Most of the resume-reading that I do is for basic accountant types, which is a pretty cut-and-dried field. My candidates are not going to have research and publications to list. I can see that in a highly technical or rapidly-growing field, two pages might be necessary for completeness.</p>
<p>Font size preferences? H says 12 is what he likes when he reviews resumes.</p>
<p>I like 12 also.</p>
<p>To clarify what I said about listing experience, I am differentiating between experience and skills. In a legal resume, the experience gained would be listed under each employer. There may be a separate skills area in which computer skills are listed for example. I would only include those things on a resume if a client specifically requested them. A transactional attorney may also attach a separate “Transactions List” that fleshes out the experience. Important publications are usually listed, but most of my clients request a separate writing sample.</p>
<p>This thread challenged me. I managed to get my resume down to one page. I’ve been working for more than 25 years, and left out some old and irrelevant jobs. But if I can do it (and I’ve had a lot of jobs), certainly a recent graduate can.</p>
<p>The result is that there are a fair number of gaps in the resume. I left out the two jobs I held after college and before grad school. If I included every job I’ve had since graduating, my resume would be at least 3 pages.</p>
<p>
My preference would be to list the publications in the body of the text, but not to say anything at all about references. IMHO, “references upon request” is a waste of space.</p>
<p>
This advice from 'rentof2 in post #30 is very accurate, from my perspective as a hiring manager.</p>
<p>I hire engineers and technicians and do not mind more than one page, but honestly, it’s usually unnecessary. It becomes clear within a few seconds whether the applicant is qualified or not. If they are, they get an interview. (Oh, to have the problem of too many qualified applicants!)</p>
<p>Having more than one page, in itself, has never caused me to reject an applicant. However, if the resume feels puffed-up with buzzwords or attempts to make the mundane sound interesting, I am very put off. I want someone with the confidence to let their qualifications speak for themselves. With all due respect to the OP, if you are a recent graduate with a two-page resume, it is probably puffed-up.</p>
<p>I dislike the one-page-only dogma because it contradicts another rule of resume-writing, that your resume should quantify our accomplishments. We’re always told to point to achievements in the form, “Reduced bad things from 100% to 0% while increasing good things from 0% to 100% in seventeen minutes all by myself.”</p>
<p>Add it up: In 15 years I’ve worked for five companies. In one of those companies I’ve held four positions. Now list every one of those companies and positions, with two bullet points for my accomplishments in each, plus two degrees. That ain’t fittin’ on one page unless I reduce the margins to a quarter-inch and use 8-point type.</p>
<p>So this has become my philosophy of resumes: “If it takes more than one page to summarize my career succinctly but accurately, and a manager can’t be bothered to read it all, then I don’t want to work for that manager.”</p>
<p>Oh, one more thing. I think 12-point type belongs in children’s books. Give me something that looks like it was made for adults.</p>
<p>I can see somebody with a lot of job experience exceeding 1 page. It seems excessive for new college grads. </p>
<p>Have any job applicants started to do a hybrid approach? I’m envisioning a 1 page resume (ideally tailored to the specific page) plus a url listed for a web page with more details.</p>
<p>I concur with sacchi from engineer’s perspective. Resumes for engineering positions, especially those that are reviewed by engineering managers and engineers, are actually better with more details. I have reviewed hundreds of resumes and hired several people for my team. It’s extremely rare one-page resume even makes it to a phone interview. Usually, 3~4 page resume provide me with the best idea of what the candidate has done. Any exaggeration is easily caught during the phone interview process. One-page resume is often viewed as a sign of an engineer who will require a lot of training, lacks attention in details or someone who is too proud or jaded to tell a lot about self. Any fresh college graduates with engineering degree without relevant work experience (such as internship or co-op) should still elaborate on their lab works, special projects, etc. in details, if they want to get a chance for interview (with me, that is.)</p>
<p>Just pulled up my resume to take a look at it… It’s 10 point font, Arial. It has my current job… which I’ve had since 05, it has my freelance work that I’ve been doing since 01, and it has my prior job that I had during senior year of college on there also. All of my other jobs from prior to that are left off. It has a small education section with my college name, majors, and minors. It’s exactly 1 page. We actually just started an internal resume type thing at work which is a template that corporate made. I haven’t set mine up yet but it looked interesting. It’s a landscape sized document and it has two columns. One to highlight your responsibilities, projects, etc at our current company, and one column to highlight past information as well as education and things like that. I think the goal is for us to use that for future internal job postings.</p>