When people don't vaccinate their kids

Another ignore…

Works for me :slight_smile:

Famous anti-vaxx doctor Robert Sears will be fighting to retain his medical license after the Medical Board of California announced last week that it was moving to revoke it.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-sears-vaccine-20160909-snap-story.html

Here is the actual complaint. Plaintiff Kimberly Kirchmeyer is the Executive Director of the Medical Board.

http://documents.latimes.com/medical-board-accusation-against-dr-robert-sears/

Interesting information on the flu vaccine

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/28/2016-flu-season-shots-science/

Whooping cough, aka The Hundred Day Cough, is so awful. My 11 month old got it. He was on the prescribed vaccine schedule, all up to date. An investigation was launched after a flurry of Pertussis cases were diagnosed in our affluent suburban area. Lo and behold, the manufacturer of the vaccine was found to be complicit in poor quality vaccines being produced. Our practice quickly changed to another brand. A week in the hospital, and another week of home oxygen before we could sleep without worrying that he’d pass out from lack of oxygen during a coughing spell.

I thought this was on point:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/04/14/anti-vax-mom-changes-her-tune-when-all-7-of-her-children-come-down-with-whooping-cough/

A woman in Canada was an anti-vaxxer and is now recanting in the face of actual disease.

After reading about vaccinations, I asked my PCM if I could have my blood tested to see if I still have immunity to the childhood diseases since I am in my 50’s. The results came in and I have immunity against chicken pox, mumps, whooping cough but lacked the titer for measles and hepatitis B. (I remember getting chicken pox and mumps when I was younger).

He sent me to the immunology section of the office to get these two shots. Imagine my surprise when this person told me I really didn’t need these shots. Am I missing something here? I’m relatively healthy, no immediate issues, but she stated several times that the measles shot is dangerous and I don’t really need it as I’m not going to have children (?). So I pushed back, got the shots and left. I go back in a month to get the second Hep B shot.

So am I confused about these shots, should I ask questions on my return about why she was acting this way? I would think that with the outbreaks of measles that the US has had lately, she would be more understanding…

@ChuckleDoodle was this an MD that told you this?

http://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html indicates that the CDC recommendation is that “Adults who do not have evidence of immunity against measles should get at least one dose of MMR vaccine.”

Measles infection has longer term effects in that it can suppress immune response against other infections. See http://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6235/694.abstract and http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/05/08/measles-vaccine-reduces-death-from-other-infections-too-by-preventing-immune-amnesia/ .

@surfcity , no I don’t think so. This was the person who gives shots. Not sure what her qualifications were. She did stress that the measles shot was the live virus and why did I need the shot? Was I at high risk or working in health care?

I was thrown off by her questions and basically said yes I’m aware and please give me the shots. Which she did. But the more I think about it, the more it seems strange to me.

I had a similar strange reaction from a nurse who was giving me a tetanus (tdap) shot. “Are you sure you want this? Your arm will be sore for a few days? There aren’t any floodwaters to worry about”. ??? I got the shot. A week later the heavy rain and flooding started in and around Baton Rouge and there was a run on tetanus shots in that area.

The whole point is to be prepared for the future. Maybe some of these health professionals missed that lesson.

@ChuckleDoodle, I’m sad to say that there are numbers of anti-vaxxers in the nursing profession. I’m not shocked that you ran into someone who claims the MMR is “dangerous.” It is a live vaccine- but attenuated- so no, it’s not dangerous.

@Nrdsb4 , yes, I knew that but was more shocked that she kept asking me if I was sure. She also said, didn’t I have immunizations as a child and then again in basic training (I’m retired military). Answered - yes and yes but obviously something didn’t stick as the titers for measles and Hep B were negative…

@ChuckleDoodle That person works in the “immunology” section, as you said? She should be fired. She was way out of line, not to mention wrong.

I just spoke with my H who had gone in about a month ago to get his shots and he said she did the same thing to him. He needed the shots for his class he was taking, but still. It makes me wonder if she does the same thing to parents of small children.

Maybe the anti-vaxxers are infiltrating the ranks. Only half joking.

@ChuckleDoodle I’d question further up the food chain at that medical center and see what they say. It would be interesting to know.

That’s why I asked @ChuckleDoodle. I couldn’t tell if your PCP sent you to an immunology practice and an MD there questioned you.

If it was a nurse or tech who was just supposed to be executing doctor’s orders, then that is a really strange comment to make. I’d consider mentioning to your doc!

Your doctor should know about this person.

@Nrdsb4 , I will tell him but I’m sure it won’t matter. This is a military treatment facility and even though she was a civilian, there is oversight by the military. You know, only the best for our military people. :wink:

I’m actually in favor of nurses, technicians, and other support personnel questioning doctor’s orders—if they notice something awry. If this was done more often, a lot of medical mistakes would be avoided. However, the questioning should be done to the doctor, not the patient. And it sounds like this person wasn’t as much “questioning” the veracity of the order as she was injecting (pun intended) her non-evidenced-based opinion.